Ron Paul Watch: Stumps for The November 5 Creep Show
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Flap asked the question whether Ron Paul would embrace the November 5th fundraising creep show.
Ron Paul answered today – well sort of.
It’s sort of an odd allusion for a fundraising campaign in these days of hypersensitivity to terrorism, even if the Congressman it will benefit is running for president as a Libertarian Republican spoiler who wants to drastically change the way government runs in Washington.
But there was Ron Paul on the stump at Clemson in South Carolina telling a group of several hundred students and supporters, “Remember, remember the 5th of November.”
Paul clarified at the rally that he is not involved in this particular fundraising effort.
Ron Paul will disavow participation in this creep show fundraising event but will keep the money, right?
Where have we heard that before?
Well, it is the same answer that supporters of Ron Paul give to everything that seems weird or unseemly. The answer is becoming a habit.
By the way, the ad hyping this November 5th event and directing people to the website which then redirects people to Ron Paul’s official site where they can make a contribution remains on the Neo-Nazi discussion board, Stormfront.org.
But, Paul doesn’t have anythng to do with his either – but he will take the money.
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chris lawton
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Flap
An example of Ron Paul off topic spam……
Gregor Morrill
Your word usage is always clever.
For example:
You insinuate that because he stated the official campaign is not involved in this grassroots fundraising effort, that he should therefore refuse to accept money from it.
I’d like to know how you think that should be done.
But let’s back up a bit; what’s the stated reason you think he shouldn’t take these funds? Oh, the grassroots campaign seems “creepy” to you. Wahh.
Give me one good reason why the Ron Paul Presidential Campaign Committee should refuse my donation on November 5th, 2007.
Flap
The Guy Fawkes stuff is creepy.
Ron Paul should be a grown up and accept responsibility for his supporter’s fundraising efforts.
And how about condemning Stormfront.org and returning Don Black’s contribution?
I could care less if you give your money to Ron Paul. Kind of a waste since he is going to lose.
But, then again, Gregor, you have a knack for picking LOSERS 🙂
Gregor Morrill
So you have no good reason the campaign should refuse the November 5th donations.
And you say Ron Paul needs to be a grown up. What are you, 5? This is pathetic.
Flap
Sheesh……I was playing with you. Didn’t you see the smiley.
Ron Paul DOES need to accept responsibility for his campaign and the creepiness.
But, he won’t.
Gregor Morrill
“This November 5th is a grassroots effort and is not associated with the Ron Paul campaign.”
Read aloud and repeat until it sinks in.
You NEED to stop using logical fallacies in your arguments.
But, you won’t.
Flap
Read and repeat this: Ron Paul is associating with weirdos and accepting their money.
But, you won’t!
Gregor Morrill
I did see the smiley. It’s pathetic when I get that in lieu of an answer to my question, though. I realize you don’t have a single good reason, so you had to try to divert with something.
I’m glad you care at least somewhat, though. Or did you mean “couldn’t care less?” 🙂
Gregor Morrill
Nope, I just read it twice.
You have presented no evidence of Ron Paul associating himself with “weirdos” (whatever the hell that subjectively-defined word means).
Gregor Morrill
I mean, I find you to be weird in some aspects, but you don’t see me going around saying “Rudy Giuliani associates himself with weirdos.”
Flap
No, your logical fallacy.
Ron Paul simply needs to acknowledge the creepy weirdos that support him and give him money?
It is called being held accountable.
Flap
Ok, watch the name calling AND the logical fallacies. You are combining them both.
I am not a weirdo like David Duke or Don Black. Don’t you consider them weirdos? or NUTTERS?
How about the 9/11 Truthers? What do you think about them?
Gregor Morrill
Enlighten me on the logical fallacy you think I have used here.
What name-calling? I’ve read your comments policy (multiple times), so please don’t just say “read the comments policy”. Are you referring to my use of “weird”, and that falls under the “offends me” part of your comments policy?
This is the 2nd time I’ve asked about this. You gave me one warning a while back, which I inquired about because I honestly didn’t know how I had broken it, so I’d appreciate clarification.
Flap
Calling the ol’ Flapster weird and
The deductive logical fallacy here:
Get it?
Gregor Morrill
Yawn. This is tiring me out.
I never said you were a “weirdo like David Duke or Don Black” and I’ve addressed the white nationalist question already, or did you forget?
Yes, I find their position of white nationalism, neo-Nazism, racism, or whatever else it might be called – to be absolutely repugnant. You know this as I’ve stated it repeatedly.
If you want to simplify that to just call them “weirdos”, that’s fine. People who wear tinfoil hats to keep aliens from reading their minds are also often called “weirdos”, but clearly there is a level of difference between those two groups of people (which is why I indicated it’s a rather subjectively-defined term). One type is dangerous (e.g. they might act out of their bigotry in the form of violence) whereas the other is just weird and pretty benign.
Yes, I find 9/11 conspiracy theories to be weird and lacking support.
With all that established (for the nth time):
To my knowledge, Ron Paul has not associated himself with David Duke, Don Black, or 9/11 Truthers.
To my knowledge, you have not presented evidence that he has associated himself with them, either.
Flap
Of course he is associating himself with them. This has been discussed ad nauseum here and elsewhere.
Ever get a response to your e-mail to the Paul campaign?
Gregor Morrill
“Weird” was not intended as an insult, or as name-calling. It was just an opinion (and I might stress that I said “in some aspects”). I’ll refrain from that since it offends you, though. My apologies.
I think you might need to clarify for me how what I said was a deductive logical fallacy.
I was using an example of the “guilt by association” logical fallacy, and how I wouldn’t follow that.
As I’ve stated, I believe you’ve repeatedly employed this “guilt by association” logical fallacy. I don’t believe you’ve really addressed that (or I missed it), so please inform me how I’m wrong to assert this.
Gregor Morrill
Flap states repeatedly that Ron Paul associates with these people. Therefore it’s true.
Did I get the logic on this correct?
Flap
So, Ron Paul associates with 9/11 Truthers, KKK Grand Wizards and Stormfront.org is a false statement?
Flap
Ron Paul associates with the November 5th fundraising event is a false statement?
Just breaking it down.
Gregor Morrill
You’re worse than a kid on Christmas Eve. “Is it Christmas yet??” 🙂
No, no response yet. You know, as I’ve told you repeatedly, that I’ll post when I hear back. You also know that the campaign responded to the Don Black issue already, since you linked to the Lone Star Times post on it.
So I’ll be ignoring any more repeats of that question.
I’d suggest if you find Jesse Benton’s responses to be lacking in some respect, that you contact the campaign directly: (703) 248-9115, mail@ronpaul2008.com. Otherwise just sit tight and I assure you I’ll email you once I have heard back.
Gregor Morrill
Yes, I believe those are false statements, pending evidence to the contrary.
There is evidence that 9/11 Truthers, a KKK Grand Wizard, and Stormfront.org associate themselves with Ron Paul. I do not believe that implies Ron Paul has associated himself with those campaigns.
Flap
Don’t you find it odd they hve not replied to a supporter yet?
Actually, don’t you find it rude?
Oh, you probably won’t respond.
But, if I had given this guy money I would expect an answer to my inquiry within at least a few days.
I think they do not want to expand on their answer they gave to the Lone Star Times until after tomorrow’s fundraising event and the ad becomes moot.
For being such a touted internet fast responding savey organization they kind of suck on this one.
Gregor Morrill
Correction: “campaigns” should be “groups”. And I forgot This November 5th campaign in the list, too.
Flap
What evidence would you need to have to validate the statement that Ron Paul associates with the November 5th fundraising organization?
Mind you, Ron Paul will accept the money.
Gregor Morrill
I don’t find it odd, or rude.
For one thing, during this same time-frame, apparently the campaign was receiving at least one other inquiry on the same matter – from Lone Star Times for example. LST also was making phone calls, whereas I’ve only sent emails to Justine Lam, who has been quick to respond and courteous. They responded to LST already, so perhaps my email was overlooked.
You would probably call that “incompetence”, though obviously it would only be anecdotal evidence of that. With a busy campaign focused on the run-up to the primaries, and with a rather small staff, I personally can understand not hearing back from them right away.
What further expansion on the November 5th campaign do you desire? Do you doubt the statement that it is a grassroots campaign and not an official Ron Paul campaign?
Flap
A distinction without a difference. One goes to the November 5th site and is redirected to the official Ron Paul site to donate the money.
Wow, what a grassroots effort.
Trevor donated time and some web efforts to put up the site. An in-kind contribution by the way. Just one site redirecting to another.
Gregor Morrill
I don’t understand.
How else are supporters supposed to encourage people to donate than through the official, legal channels?
Are you saying that since it is a simple concept that it doesn’t qualify as “grassroots”?
Flap
It is a ruse – a deception.
Gregor Morrill
So to make sure I’m understanding, are you saying:
“This November 5th is actually being run by the Ron Paul campaign and is not a grassroots effort.”
Flap
It is being supported by the Ron Paul campaign with a to this guy Trevor who is actually doing the work.
An independent grassroots group would raise and keep the money and then donate it to the campaign.
But, under the FEC rules there might be some problems and a grassroots group could keep some of the money for administrative costs.
So, the campaign disavows any association with Trevor and his group and gladly accepts his referrals to their official site.
A ruse.
I look forward to seeing Ron Paul’s next quarterly report as to how much Trevor is given credit for his in-kind internet work.
Gregor Morrill
There’s no evidence that the campaign initiated the campaign, or contacted Trevor and asked him to initiate it.
The campaign has acknowledged the campaign, and will accept donations that meet the FEC legal requirements today just as they would any other day.
You’re grasping at straws when you say they would need to raise and keep the money themselves in order to be “grassroots.” Yes, that would be the definition of a grassroots fundraiser but this is a grassroots campaign to coordinate donations on a single day, also commonly referred to as a “moneybomb.”
Volunteer internet work is not considered an in-kind contribution, to my knowledge.
Volunteer activity with no limits
Flap
You are stretching anyone’s imagination.
I am not an election attorney but have been told by a few campaigns that there is a fine line between volunteering and actually aiding a campaign. The links you provided were from 1999 and 2004 and I am positive there have been court cases since then that modify the regulations.
Please……..are you really serious?
But, the money won’t do you much good if Ron Paul doesn’t get any voters. The polls don’t show any significant movement. I refer to the Rasmussen Daily tracking poll.
Note the rise of Mike Huckabee with 20% of the money raised by Ron Paul.
Gregor Morrill
Absolutely.
If I am so glaringly wrong here, I think you’d be able to present something close to a shred of evidence to the contrary.
Instead all you provide is incredulous questions. “are you really serious?” doesn’t make your case. Present some evidence.
Gregor Morrill
I guess that’s where the discussion ends – when I ask for evidence you obviously don’t have.
Flap
No, the issue is moot now and the campaign finessed it anyway. Ron Paul would promote the fundraising event by saying remember the 5th of November and out of the other side of his mouth his spokesman Jesse Benton (the one who has not gotten back to you over the Stormfront.org flap)would say the RP campaign has nothing to do with it.
I saw an interview with Trevor someplace and he admitted he talked to the campaign to get the ok but went no further in explanation. If he admits he worked with the campaign then he is no longer considered a volunteer – you know the ol’ FEC rules then apply more stringently.
It stretches the imagination that the campaign did not know about it and early in its origination.
Hey, how about Huckabee taking off with no money! In Iowa he is beating Ron Paul in the polls 3 to 1.
Galileo
Mind you, the IRS accepts money from KKK Grand Wizards.
Cascadian
Wow, Flap you’re developing quite the infatuation. What’s the matter? Paul got you scared? Don’t remember your conservative credentials? So a bunch of Paul supporters get excited about tearing down big chuncks of the Federal government…. and that has you worried.
Flap
Tearing down?
This is what is so creepy about the Guy Fawkes, V for Vendetta stuff.
I am a conservative yes. An anarchist – NO!
Flap
Nahhhh
I am just creeped out by Ron Paul.
Did you know Holocaust denying father of Mel Gibson endorsed Ron Paul?
The weird endorsements just keep on coming……
Galileo
The revolution will not be televised.
Flap
Please explain.
Galileo
The revolution will be on the Internet.
Flap
Doubtful…….
Ron Paul will be done by February 5th.
Galileo
Incorrect.
Ron Paul will have delegates for the national convention, even if he doesn’t win the nomination, and will be given some speaking time. He also has financial viability. He is 4-1 to get the nomination according to http://www.sportsbook.com and has the best shot to win in a general election because of the war issue.
Watch for Ron Paul to get 1st or 2nd (to Romney) in NH. He is running TV ads there and has the money and organization to contact EVERY voter in the state multiple times via phone calls, direct mail, and door-to-door canvassing.
Giuliani, McCain, and Huckabee don’t have enough money to run TV ads in NH, and Thompson is polling so low that he has given NH up.
As of NOV 6, Ron Paul will have more money than all other GOP candidates, to go along with his great organization.
Flap
The Iraq War issue is dying out.
Even if Ron Paul wins a few delegates (doubtful) he won’t be given any time to speak at the GOP Convention.
Pat Buchanan beat Bob Dole in New Hampshire and went nowhere.
Giuliani has more funds than anyone and will wrap up the nomination on February 5 – Super Tuesday.
McCain and Huckabee are second tier candidates that may have a shot at the VP spot or a cabinet position. The race is between Rudy, Mitt and Fred.
Ron Paul will burn his money in New Hampshire and will have none left for Super Tuesday.
Galileo
According to http://www.Intrade.com, Giuliani and Romney are the two GOP frontrunners, with Ron Paul now moving into third place.
Ron Paul will definetly win many delegates. In most states, if no one gets a majority, they are divided out based on vote totals. Most states also grant delegates based on showings in congressional districts. Ultra-liberal districts where few republicans vote will be easy pickings for Paul.
Giuliani had the most cash-on-hand as of OCT 1, with about $11.6 million. Ron Paul had $5.4 million. But Giuliani spends $3 million per month just on salaries, travel, meals and entertainment.
Ron Paul, on the other hand, is frugal, and raises money for free on the Internet. He has already raised $2.7 million since OCT 1, and has about $1.8 million pledged for NOV 5, putting him at about $10 million. He spent $1.1 million on TV and $400,000 on radio, so his cash on hand will be about $9 million as of NOV 6.
[Ron Paul also has raised about $400,000 near the end of October that is not reflected on his website yet]
I have not seen any reports of Giuliani fundraising since OCT 1, but if he spent $3 his typical $3 million, he’s down to $8.6 million. In the 3rd quarter Giuliani spent $3 million more than he raised.
The upside on Ron Paul’s fundraising is almost unlimited.
Flap
Delusions of grandeur.
Rudy is traveling around the country and campaigning. Ron Paul is and has not.
Money doesn’t buy you votes anyway.
Ron Paul will not win so does it really make any difference what place he finishes in which Congressional District?
No, it doesn’t.
And, Ron Paul is 72. This will be his last run for office. I doubt he runs for re-election to the Congress.
Put a fork in Paul on February 5th – He’s done.
Galileo
Rudy has been traveling around the country, but still has few supporters. If he somehow gets the nomination, he will be slaughtered by Hillary Clinton in the general election. The powers that be know this, which is why Giuliani’s fundraising is very low compared to Clinton. Ron Paul is now raising money faster than Giuliani and will spend a much higher percentage of it on TV, radio, and direct mail.
Not sure where you heard Paul is not campaigning around the country, you need to get your facts straight. He just did big fundraisers in Michigan, Iowa, Wyoming, and California. [that are not reflected on his money-O-meter yet]
He just opened his SC headquarters and will do there what he is doing in NH, contact every voter in the state with canvassing, mail, phone calls, and TV. Paul is anti-abortion which helps in SC. The media is propping up the Huckabee campaign right now which hurts Paul with conservative voters, but Huckabee still can’t raise any money and is an economic liberal.
The states where Giuliani has the edge right now are the big states, like Florida and Michigan. Ron Paul needs his money flow to keep expanding to be competitive in those states. The take on NOV 5 will be telling.
If you study the polls, it is easy to see that Giuliani’s support is very weak. The polls all include “leaners” in their numbers, but leaners are undecided voters. If you take out the leaners, Giuliani is running at only 12% to 18% support, with 50% undecided. These are the true numbers. Ron Paul is going to fight for these undecided voters because most of them do not like the status quo.
Flap
Rudy has few supporters – hardly.
Ron Paul is a fringe candidate who is not in the top tier. Ron Paul has been invisible in most states including California.
Face up to reality.
You are a 9/11 conspiracy nutter and NOBODY believes that crap either.
Galileo
Rudy doesn’t ahve any yard signs up, no bumper stickers, no presence at gun shows, and just dropped 10% in the latest poll in California.
Ron Paul is raising money faster than Rudy right now, and spending it slower.
You are a global conspiracy wacko and so is Ghouliani. 9/11 was not a conspiracy. Ghouliani has ZERO chance of beating Hillary in a general election. The people sending him $$ are dumping it down the toilet and there are fewer and fewer of these people each day.
Flap
Guess you don’t get out of your Ron Paul basement much. Give me a break.
Read my comments policy, please.
Sean
You’ll still be free to piss on the Constitution after Ron Paul is elected, so don’t fret so much.
Flap
And what the hell does that mean?
Bill Stegmeier
Gee, I’d sure like to comment on the Flapper’s continual remorse over Ron Paul’s continual increase in support from a continual increase of diverse and occasionally “out of the mainstream” groups, but I’ve no time. Got to get back to spamming for Ron Paul. Have a great Ron Paul day Flapper.
Flap
You mean like the Neo-Nazis and ex-KKK Grand Wizards?
Eric Dondero
Flap, please refrain from using the phrase “Libertarian Republican” to describe Ron Paul. Ron Paul is a complete embarrassment to those of us who are real Libertarian Republicans.
Yes, there was a time in the middle 1990s when Ron Paul was a Libertarian Republican: fiscal conservative, socially moderate, strong on defense. But since 9/11 he’s become a complete leftwing kook fringe conspiratorialist quasi Anti-Semitic nutjob. We Libertarian Republicans wish to have nothing to do with him.
True Libertarian Republicans are individuals like US Senator Tom Coburn of OK, Cong. Jeff Flake of AZ, Cong. Dana Rohrabacher of CA, State Sen. Tom McClintock of CA, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin and Idaho Gov. Butch Otter. Notably, these individuals are supporting Rudy Giuliani or Fred Thompson. Actually, Giuliani and Thompson are far more libertarian these days than Ron Paul.
Again, Ron Paul is no longer a “Libertarian Republican.” Anyone who hangs out with the likes of Modern Nazi Stormtroopers, David Duke, and so-called 9/11 “Truth Seekers” is completely underserving of the Libertarian Republican label.
Eric Dondero, Fmr. Senior Aide
US Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX)
1997-2003
Founder, Republican Liberty Caucus
CEO, MainstreamLibertarian.com & Google Libertarian Republican Blog
Galileo
Eric;
You are a traitor to the libertarian movement. I heard what you said on Harry Browne’s radio show.
Jason
How can you claim that you are embarassed as a “libertairan republican” when Ron Paul is referred to as such, when you yourself are a “neoconservative republican”? There is no reason for you to be embarassed.
But you have a delusion, and that delusion is that no matter how far your beliefs have diverged you still consider yourself a libertarian. An authoritarian libertarian perhaps? But that does explain why you thin that if your authoritarianism is libertarian then you consider Giuliani to be libertarian and Paul not so, because Giuliani is authoritarian and Paul not so.
Flap
Eric,
Should Ron Paul be considered a Republican at all?
Also, do you think he will be challenged in a GOP primary election for his congressional seat?
Wiseburn
Flap,
Eric was one of Paul’s challengers for his congressional seat.
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/ericdondero/2007/may/16/i_am_declaring_for_congress_against_ron_paul_in_texas_cd_14
He has sinced endorsed Friendswood Mayor Chris Peden.
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/122276.html#777384
Thanks,
Steve
Flap
Ron Paul WILL be challenged in the GOP primary election. But, he is 72 years old. How many more terms does he have anyway?
Wiseburn
Flap,
Paul has had many challenges for his congressional seat[s] over the years. He has won three times as a non-incumbent. He received 66% of the vote against a well funded challenger in ’06. A very bad year for Republicans.
His constituents know him well and his office provides great service to the constituents. Should Paul decide to keep his seat, he will have no trouble in the primary. Even with Eric Dondero supporting his opponent.
What’s most amazing is Paul’s fund raising. He’s already raised more money this quarter than last and by the time you read this, he will have raised more money today than he did in the entire second quarter.
Steve
Jordan
We all know YOUR story, Eric. Nice try, though.
Galileo
Ron Paul’s Path to the Nomination
Ron Paul’s growing grassroots support and fundraising success have astounded the mainstream media, but many still give him little chance of winning the Republican presidential nomination. How can a candidate trailing in the polls in early November overtake the field and win? Here’s how:
November 5th: A grassroots-organized fundraising drive raises nearly two million dollars in one day, gaining widespread media coverage and leading many more voters to begin to consider Ron Paul as a serious option. They investigate and like what they see.
Mid to late November: Ron Paul continues to spend his stockpiled cash on radio, television, and direct mail efforts in early primary states like New Hampshire, Iowa, Nevada, and South Carolina. His poll numbers in those states continue their steady climb, closing in on 10%.
December: The campaign cash continues to roll in, spiked by another grassroots funding effort on the 15th (Bill of Rights Day) and the 16th (the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party.) Ron Paul nears 10% in the national polls for the first time, breaking into the double digits in New Hampshire and Nevada.
January 3rd: Ron Paul’s unmatched grassroots campaign organization amazes the media with a strong third place showing in the Iowa caucuses, ending all doubts about whether his unprecedented Internet support will translate into votes. Pundits attribute the result to low turnout for the other candidates in the caucuses, and predict that it won’t carry over into other states with traditional primaries.
January 5th: Ron Paul finishes second in county-level delegate elections in Wyoming’s early contest, but the story is mostly downplayed due to the looming (and better understood) primary in New Hampshire.
January 8th (date not finalized yet, my guess): Ron Paul wins the New Hampshire primary, shocking the world. Talking heads from Fox News to CNN point out that New Hampshire is much more libertarian than the rest of the United States, and argue that he is obviously not a threat at the national level, since he is still only polling at 15%. As the weaker contenders drop out, Giuliani and Romney are predicted to gain a larger percentage of the vote in later contests.
READ MORE:
http://paul4prez.blogspot.com/2007/11/ron-pauls-path-to-nomination.html
Steve C.
I know it’s hard for the apathetic supporters of other candidates to understand why or how the Ron Paul supporters are able to organize in such a way. You would think that with the millions more that other candidates have to spend, they would be able to get their “people” moving. For some reason the message of personal liberty, and freedom from governmental tyranny resonates more powerfully than handing someone a pile of cash. Ron Paul’s support comes from very dedicated and motivated people who are standing up to fight for their freedom, religions, families, and country. Other candidates can only dream of having such a strong and vocal following, but alas money cannot by loyalty or the fire in the soul that comes from passionate defense of what you hold most sacred.
I consider myself constitutional, so I need a little education in respect to libertarians. I thought libertarians were supposed to be accepting of all individuals or groups so long as they have a live and let live policy. Is that the case or are you just as close minded and exclusive as all the other “parties” or “groups”?
Donate to Ron Paul this Nov. 5.
Flap
Keep drinking the Koolaid.
Pat Buchanan won the New Hampshire primary in 1996 against Bob Dole and ended there. Even, if Ron Paul could beat Romney, Rudy et al in New Hampshire (and this is a very big reach) he will go nowhere in the delegate count.
Ron Paul will be done by February 6th.
Flap
What makes you say that? Don’t get out much or watch the Giuliani videos on this site, eh?
And, I am not a Libertarian.
Are you a Constitution Party member or a Republican?