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Hi;

May I interject a real life situation. I’d like to hear your guidance on this.

My mother was given a drug to take to lessen the chance of miscarriage and promote healthy babies — that’s what the doctor told her. The drug is Diethylstilbestrol, or DES. In male fetuses, it feminizes the brains of one in five of us ‘DES sons’.

I finally came to terms with this, and realized my choice was transition or die. So, I’m now a male-to-female transsexual who’s had ‘the operation.’ I’ve changed all my legal paperwork and although I still have a male body with XY chromosomes, it has been retrofitted to approximate female anatomy, which is good because if I ever end up in an accident, there will be no ’surprise’ for the first responders.

I ‘pass’ very well, thank you. Only rarely do strangers figure out I was not born this way. Most people have to be told, by me, or, more often, by someone else who just has to ‘drop the bomb.’

All my paperwork has been changed. Legally, I’m female. But I have to find an OB/GYN who can check my prostate during my yearly pelvic exam (yearly mammograms don’t need that level of disclosure.)

So my question to you is — knowing what you know now about me, and assuming for the moment you get absolute power to label me and make determinations on where I can and can’t go —

-Do I marry a man? Or do I marry a woman?

-Which restroom and changing facility do you feel I, a male-to-female transsexual, should use when in public spaces?

-Am I immoral?

-Am I a paedophile?

-Am I tearing down western society in support of a deviant agenda?

-Am I selfish?

I eagerly await your responses;

Hazumu Osaragi

The reason why Proposition 8 is destined to fail is because supporters of Prop 8 are building their argument on a bed of half-truths, distorted facts, and outright lies. You know that, right? You understand that, right? You realize that the TV ads and e-mail campaigns are deceptive, right? Even if Prop 8 passes, it will be an empty victory because it will not have been an issue that was won honorably. If you cheat to get to the finish line, did you really win?

I’d also like to point out that people have a right to their own opinions, but, when those opinions serve to discriminate against an entire class of people, it creates a climate–and a country–in which this happens. It’s all connected, whether you choose to believe it or not.

marriage isn’t really about sexuality–or if someone is transgender whatever. government doesn’t grant people social status or acceptance through marriage. they don’t regulate marriage because of “love” or sex. they regulate it because of any children that may result.

children deserve a mom and a dad. this is where they do best. there is not enough research to prove that same-sex couples can do what a mom and a dad can.

gender matters. biology backs up this claim.

children deserve a mom and a dad, and i’ll do everything i can to encourage this situation.

also there is a discussion going on here about gender and parenting. i’d love any stories/comments.

http://prop8discussion.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/gender-matters-children-have-a-right-to-a-mom-and-a-dad-day-7/

prop8discussions last blog post..Gender Matters: Children have a right to a mom and a dad Day 7

I as an educated Mormon had to search my head and heart on the issue of Prop 8. I do belive in equality in the eyes of the law but I believe more in a religious law of marriage. I accept that marriage and hence family are eternal and take precidence over the issues of gay marriages.

@Andrea –

The problem with your argument is that Jesus was very specifically inclusive of people, not practices. Did Jesus hate the moneychangers he threw out of the temple? Most assuredly he did not – he was merely trying to restore some measure of respect and dignity to His Father’s house. Similarly, there is nothing racist about a group of people declaring that they find certain behaviors to be unacceptable within their society. Indeed, in a democratic community, t is the people’s responsibility to make those decisions. And unlike the race issues of the past, all affected people were given a voice and a vote this time.

Your next point is rather specious, though. Divorce and extra-marital pregnancy have no bearing on the discussion at hand. True, society would be better in better shape if those issues were addressed and resolved, but you seem to be saying ‘Having two problems means we should ignore any others’.

Throughout history, marriage has been a matter of a man and a woman coming together to create a family. In no other act do we so closely approach our divine parentage. Everything else we do in life is merely shuffling things around – rearranging things which we did not create. In a marriage, a man and a woman come together and jointly create something out of themselves which is greater than the parts. No other relationship can recreate such an act.

As to your final question, here is what Christ would do. He would no doubt weep over the sins of his people (all of them), and tell us all to go and sin no more. He would reiterate his love for children, and would encourage parents to be loving and kind in rearing them. He would also acknowledge that while law and mercy must temper each other, God’s divine law has always been that sexual intimacy is to be expressed only between a man and a woman in the holy bonds of marriage, and that no amount of love can change that law.

Our government isn’t a theocracy, so you can’t pull “But the Bible says…” shit. Not everyone believes what the Bible says, you idiots. There ARE such things as atheists and agnostics. Banning gay marriage is just pushing your beliefs on other people.

In the Declaration of Independence, it is clearly states that there are certain unalienable rights, which include life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If two gays want to get married and it makes them happy, who are you to deny that right?

It’s unnatural, you say? So is plastic surgery, artificial tanning, synthetic oil, and faux fur, but you don’t see a proposition to get rid of those things.

I found this on a “Vote Yes Prop 8″ website:
It protects our children from being taught in public schools that “same-sex marriage” is the same as traditional marriage, and prevents other consequences to Californians who will be forced to not just be tolerant of gay lifestyles, but face mandatory compliance regardless of their personal beliefs.

Reaction: There are other ways to get married than through a religious ceremony. There could be a legal bond done. And why shouldn’t you be tolerant of gay lifestyles? They may seem odd to you, but your heterosexual lifestyles probably seem odd to them. Homosexuals have different personal beliefs have different personal beliefs than that of heterosexuals, and they put up with that.

prop8discussion’s reason: children deserve a mom and a dad
Does that mean all children of single parents need to be put in a foster home until their mom/dad gets married again?

I can’t believe the narrow-mindedness of some people with this issue. Correct me if I’m mistaken, but wasn’t God this awesome dude who loved all people? So if you’re supposedly His “children”, why don’t you follow in his footsteps?

If you couldn’t figure it out, I would have voted “No” on Prop 8. But I’m not eighteen nor do I live in California.

To follow up, go here to see how ridiculous your reasons to vote “yes” are.

WHY VOTE YES ON SOMETHING THAT VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTION….

Those argueing against what has passed, why are you argueing? The people have spoken. They spoke out against the ignorant judges that decide to pass this nonsense. All this pushing gay this and gay that on everyone else and making it like it’s some NORMAL behavior has just been silenced by the majority. So you’ve come out of the closet. Congrats. Now go back to your little lifestyle and be happy.

To Ms. Dictionary:
Yes, marriage is a union between a man an a woman. I agree with you there, but there is a system similar to marriage for homosexuals: it’s called civil union. Though it’s not accepted in all states, it still exists.
So sorry, your answer is invalid.

I Voted YES on Prop 8.

The reason why I voted yes on Prop 8 isn’t because I hate or dislike Homosexuals. Or anything like that (Which all of you Homosexuals seem to believe)

The Reason why I voted for Prop 8 is simple, people are questioning what marriage is. Marriage is an contract between a man and a woman, who have children, possibly commit solely to each other, possibly love each other, etc. That is what it is and what it has been and what it WILL BE. (Why are you questioning marriage…? Are you completely blind to history, etc..? You may think I’m ignorant, blah blah blah.. but think about it. 10-20 years ago, How many people do you know has or was involved in a Gay Marriage? Answer would be a few to none.)

There has to be a line you can’t cross. I support Gays and Lesbians. They are people, who are free to practice whatever they want. If they love some1, they can have a relationship. But NO Marriage. Again there has to be a line drawn. If they are gay marriages, but will there be next? Animal and people marriages. Someone wants to get married to a tree? (There are Crazy people out there in the world, and you may think this sounds absurd.. but you should think again.)

Thus I voted yes on prop 8.

Please don’t hate me… I’m only setting a standard/drawing a line.

If the Prop 8 banned any kind of Homosexual relations/relationships then I would have voted no on it.