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	<title>Comments on: California Proposition 8 Proponents &#8220;Profoundly Gratified&#8221; in California Supreme Court Rulings</title>
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		<title>By: California Proposition 8 Ruling by California Supreme Court Coming Next Tuesday &#124; FullosseousFlap's Dental Blog</title>
		<link>http://flapsblog.com/2008/11/19/california-proposition-8-proponents-profoundly-gratified-in-california-supreme-court-rulings/#comment-149048</link>
		<dc:creator>California Proposition 8 Ruling by California Supreme Court Coming Next Tuesday &#124; FullosseousFlap's Dental Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] definition of marriage (one man and one woman) to the California Constitution) constitutional.Flap&#8217;s Opinion: Flap can count as well.&#160; Three California Supreme Court Justices that opposed gay marriage [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] definition of marriage (one man and one woman) to the California Constitution) constitutional.Flap&#8217;s Opinion: Flap can count as well.&nbsp; Three California Supreme Court Justices that opposed gay marriage [...]</p>
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		<title>By: California Supreme Court Appears to Be Ready to Uphold Constitutionality of Proposition 8 &#124; FullosseousFlap's Dental Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>California Supreme Court Appears to Be Ready to Uphold Constitutionality of Proposition 8 &#124; FullosseousFlap's Dental Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Flap will stay with his previous opinion: Flap can count as well.&#160; Three California Supreme Court Justices that opposed gay marriage plus Justice Kennard (who refused to sign the order and voted to deny the petitions) equals four votes upholding the Proposition and the traditional definition of marriage. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Flap will stay with his previous opinion: Flap can count as well.&nbsp; Three California Supreme Court Justices that opposed gay marriage plus Justice Kennard (who refused to sign the order and voted to deny the petitions) equals four votes upholding the Proposition and the traditional definition of marriage. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Rodgers Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Rodgers Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Everyone,
A lot has happened since I stepped out last night.  First, South Africa is a beautiful country.  I don&#039;t think they are one of the 5 countries that have equal rights for all.  They are a country that is struggling to overcome a direction that those in power believed was their right and now most have come to realize was an error.  Their learning quickly but they have a long, long road in front of them.  What they know now is that it is much, much easier not to make a mistake than it is to fix one.  

We see that throughout history.  Barry Goldwater and many other pro segregationist publicly apologized for their errors in the south, America apologized to the Chinese community for their internment, The Germans and even the Catholic church apologized for their part in the Holocaust.  Others never apologized but turned directions and championed human rights.  In the Bible, Paul persecuted the Christians and later became the single most important force to found Christianity as we know it today.  People make mistakes when the take the rights away from others.  Stand up, brush yourself off and do the right thing.

So, what is the benefit to society to redefine legal marriage rights like we have redefined woman&#039;s rights and black&#039;s rights and continue to redefine immigrant rights.  First, many gays have their own kids and even more adopt the neglected or abandoned children of straight couples.  Currently, despite civil union laws, to insure that these kids have the same rights as any other kids, their parents must initiate expensive legal battles.  This is an emotional and financial burden.  The energy expended on this kind of battle not only will have a negative impact on the children but the money and energy would be used to make a better community for all.  The legal battles have to do with health insurance, surviving spouse benefits, adoption after the biological parent has died.  Secondly, the knowledge that the hatred that Witch Doctor churches continue to aggressively promote against gays is limited only to their own Payton Place Temples will have profound physiological and mental health advantages that will ripple through all of society.
As I mentioned before, hatred doesn&#039;t just stop on its own once it gets going.  The Witch Doctor Churches didn&#039;t spend millions and millions of dollars to stop at one unfriendly law.  The possibilities to discriminate against gays based on the legal label of &quot;married&quot; is endless.  In Arizona and New Mexico it is already illegal for unmarried people to adopt or become foster parents.  That has to be putting a burden on an already strapped social program.  Did I mention that in Lesotho there were Witch Doctors that actually cut up little children for potions and amulets?  Doesn&#039;t sound much different, does it.  Just a few years ago, Virginia passed a law that said single people couldn&#039;t sign a contract together, not even to buy a house.  Luckily that one was overturned by their supreme court.  I hope our own Supreme court has the same good sense.

The church of traditional healers will tell you that marriage is defined as glorifying the love two people have for each other.  Taking away someone&#039;s rights doesn&#039;t sanctify anything.  If you have to see it as redefining an institution than remember this, redefining a wrong will benefit everyone.  If you believe gays should have equal rights you believe that gays have the right to marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everyone,<br />
A lot has happened since I stepped out last night.  First, South Africa is a beautiful country.  I don&#8217;t think they are one of the 5 countries that have equal rights for all.  They are a country that is struggling to overcome a direction that those in power believed was their right and now most have come to realize was an error.  Their learning quickly but they have a long, long road in front of them.  What they know now is that it is much, much easier not to make a mistake than it is to fix one.  </p>
<p>We see that throughout history.  Barry Goldwater and many other pro segregationist publicly apologized for their errors in the south, America apologized to the Chinese community for their internment, The Germans and even the Catholic church apologized for their part in the Holocaust.  Others never apologized but turned directions and championed human rights.  In the Bible, Paul persecuted the Christians and later became the single most important force to found Christianity as we know it today.  People make mistakes when the take the rights away from others.  Stand up, brush yourself off and do the right thing.</p>
<p>So, what is the benefit to society to redefine legal marriage rights like we have redefined woman&#8217;s rights and black&#8217;s rights and continue to redefine immigrant rights.  First, many gays have their own kids and even more adopt the neglected or abandoned children of straight couples.  Currently, despite civil union laws, to insure that these kids have the same rights as any other kids, their parents must initiate expensive legal battles.  This is an emotional and financial burden.  The energy expended on this kind of battle not only will have a negative impact on the children but the money and energy would be used to make a better community for all.  The legal battles have to do with health insurance, surviving spouse benefits, adoption after the biological parent has died.  Secondly, the knowledge that the hatred that Witch Doctor churches continue to aggressively promote against gays is limited only to their own Payton Place Temples will have profound physiological and mental health advantages that will ripple through all of society.<br />
As I mentioned before, hatred doesn&#8217;t just stop on its own once it gets going.  The Witch Doctor Churches didn&#8217;t spend millions and millions of dollars to stop at one unfriendly law.  The possibilities to discriminate against gays based on the legal label of &#8220;married&#8221; is endless.  In Arizona and New Mexico it is already illegal for unmarried people to adopt or become foster parents.  That has to be putting a burden on an already strapped social program.  Did I mention that in Lesotho there were Witch Doctors that actually cut up little children for potions and amulets?  Doesn&#8217;t sound much different, does it.  Just a few years ago, Virginia passed a law that said single people couldn&#8217;t sign a contract together, not even to buy a house.  Luckily that one was overturned by their supreme court.  I hope our own Supreme court has the same good sense.</p>
<p>The church of traditional healers will tell you that marriage is defined as glorifying the love two people have for each other.  Taking away someone&#8217;s rights doesn&#8217;t sanctify anything.  If you have to see it as redefining an institution than remember this, redefining a wrong will benefit everyone.  If you believe gays should have equal rights you believe that gays have the right to marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Flap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another &quot;seminar&quot; gay marriage commenter bites the dust.

You said millions of homosexuals in California. If one or two per cent of California&#039;s population is homosexual (which is probably a reach) there would still be less than a million.

If the homosexual community had so many voters then why did they not turn out to vote on such an important issue? Steve, the numbers are just not there.

Thank you for commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another &#8220;seminar&#8221; gay marriage commenter bites the dust.</p>
<p>You said millions of homosexuals in California. If one or two per cent of California&#8217;s population is homosexual (which is probably a reach) there would still be less than a million.</p>
<p>If the homosexual community had so many voters then why did they not turn out to vote on such an important issue? Steve, the numbers are just not there.</p>
<p>Thank you for commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Silberman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Silberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that&#039;s all I have to say.  This is your blog and your community, and I don&#039;t want to be impolite.  Just want to give you some food for thought.  Thank you and take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that&#8217;s all I have to say.  This is your blog and your community, and I don&#8217;t want to be impolite.  Just want to give you some food for thought.  Thank you and take care.</p>
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