If you want to support DeVore, fine. But, calling Fiorina names and labeling her something she is not is just hot air.

You opened the discussion by announcing her endorsement “by another conservative Republican United States Senator”. The article is simply a Fiorina press release. The press release–and your count appended to it imply that the mentioned Senators are conservative. Do you consider Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins and Lindsey Graham conservatives? They match your definition in 7 above.
You counter my assertions by referring me to her website to read her positions. Your main article is simply a Fiorina press release. Yet your opening response is that I “sound like DeVore talking points.” Huh? Please how it is that you take her rhetoric as gospel and consider it a sufficient refutation of what I have said simply by associating it with DeVore.

Are you insinuating that facts about Fiorina’s positions two years ago are false if DeVore’s website mentions them?

Here is a report on her bailout flip-flop from ThinkProgress–trust me no connection to DeVore!

” Later in her chat, Fiorina demonstrated one of the values that she shares with Palin, which is flip-flopping on last fall’s bank bailout. Fiorina told the reporters at the Spectator breakfast that she opposed bailouts:

Fiorina said that she was opposed to bailouts and President Obama’s economic stimulus package. Instead, she said, she supports low taxes and spending, and described the nation’s debt as “unsustainable.”

But in 2008, Fiorina defended the bailout, calling it “necessary”:

– FIORINA: And, finally, if you cannot get a loan for anything that you need to do, keep your small business running — in other words, the bank bailout was, unfortunately, necessary because credit is tight for hardworking Americans and small businesses. And John McCain has very specific proposals to help them get through this. [Fox News, 10/14/08]

– FIORINA: I think there are many people who are uncomfortable with the government bailout. And I think many people, including Senator McCain, supported that a bailout for the very simple reason, and only one reason, and that is credit was being cut off to small businesses, to companies, and to families in America.

So something had to be done to loosen the credit freeze. And, in fact, it appears to be working thus far. While the stock market plummeted today on fears of an economic slowdown or recession, fundamentally, we can see the credit is loosening. That is a bit of good news. [Fox News, 10/22/08] ”

Lindsey Graham is widely considered a RINO. His contributions to Republicans are similar to Fiorina’s; does that prove he’s not a RINO?

I get it that Fiorina is a Republican. The question raised by your headline and her press release is whether she is a conservative.
I dispute that. You want to say it but the best you can do is “Kyl endorsed her”.

Here’s what azcongresswatch.com says about border support from Kyl–and Boxer:

The fact that the government has built only 32 of the 700 miles-of double-layer fencing that Congress initially mandated in 2006 is partly the result of the amendment that Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) slipped into the omnibus appropriations bill enacted in December 2007.

“There was certainly some bureaucratic wiggle room, and they used it,” [Rep. Duncan] Hunter said.

That appropriations bill also required DHS to consult with local entities before beginning construction in order “to minimize the impact on the environment, culture, commerce, and quality of life” for local communities and residents.

Hutchison’s amendment easing the border-fence mandate was co-sponsored by other border state senators, including John Cornyn (R.-Texas), Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), John McCain (R.-Ariz.) Pete Domenici (R-N.M.), Jeff Bingaman (D.-N.M.), Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.), and Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.).

It appears a lifelong Republican, who supports Republican candidates financially as well as logistically and supports the platform of the party is a RINO?

Please explain this to me.

By the way, the Free Republic post was a copy of a Chuck DeVore piece posted on his website and written by his staff.

First, you say I “sound like DeVore’s talking points.” Ah, the overused “talking points” rebuttal. But thank you. Perhaps if I try harder you’ll accuse me of sounding like Reagan’s talking points. However that may be, I try to be well-informed about all 3 candidates. DeVore’s the only one where I see any consistent conservatism. Having heard him speak and take questions, I don’t think he has “talking points” in the sense that, say, liberals do. Back in August in the heat of the townhalls on healthcare, a liberal friend posted a link on FaceBook to aid her friends in convincing the mis-informed to support Obamacare. The link? to a page at whitehouse.gov with 10 talking points that everyone had heard a thousand times; all of them false one way or another. No links at all to supporting info. Scraped from the teleprompter. When DeVore is asked a question on governance, he responds with a clear unambiguous position, firmly rooted in the Constitution and gives his reasons from first principles.

You say my point about HP PAC is laughable. Are you and your fellow GOP dentists RINOs because you give thousands a year to your dental PAC? Your dental PAC, like the HP PAC is a lobbying agent. Contributing doesn’t “make” you a RINO any more than it makes Democrat dentists RINOs. If it “makes” you anything, it makes you a very well-heeled pro-business dentist, incidentally registered as a Republican. But your argument is a strawman. I never said she was a RINO BECAUSE she gave large sums to lobbyists. YOU brought up her large donations in support of your contention that she is not a RINO. You gave 3 points to support that: 1) she is a registered Republican; 2) her daddy was appointed to a liberal bench by a progressive Republican; and 3) she gave tens of thousands of dollars to the Republican party. Not one of those does anything to disclaim that she is a RINO.

There are tens, nay, hundreds of thousands of conservatives who give $5 or $10 only because more is outside the budget. Conservatives have re-registered from Republican to Decline To State in droves in frustration with the party

Being pro-business hardly suggests that anyone is a RINO; indeed, it’s a good thing. But it is insufficient to demonstrate conservatism.

You direct me to Fiorina’s website for her positions (ahem–talking points) on the bailout and Cap&Trade. Thanks; I direct you to Free Republic:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2445159/posts.

“….I think you are confusing John McCain’s positions by painting it as hands off, free market, laissez faire. I think that has been perhaps true of the Bush administration the last four years in terms of a wild, wild west with no regulation. But it is definitely not what John McCain believes. I think the better model for John McCain is Teddy Roosevelt, who believed that there was a robust role for government. And John McCain has consistently believed there is a role for government. A role for government is to make sure that institutions are accountable and transparent.” September 15th, 2008

“John McCain at the time said that he supported the bailout of Fannie and Freddie and Bear Stearns because he recognized that it was important for the government to step in and prevent systemic risk in the case of Bear Stearns and make sure that Americans still had access to capital for homes in the case of Fannie and Freddie. However, he also said that it was a primary importance that having used taxpayer money here that taxpayers are protected first and foremost, that taxpayers should not be used to give the CEOs of Fannie and Freddie a nice golden parachute, and that the top priority must be to protect those taxpayers going forward.” September 15th, 2008

I’ll have to leave Cap & Trade for the next comment. Out of time.

The most laughable point you make is about the HP PAC. I have given thousands over the year to my Dental PAC and they ave in turn donated to some Democrats (remember they do hold some sway in the Congress and the White House from time to time) so does that qualify me or my fellow GOP dentists as all RINOS?

Hardly.

On the Wall Street bailout and Cap and Trade you are wrong and i direct you over to Fiorina’s website to read her positions on those issues.

Oh one more, I doubt anyone would consider Dr. Tom Coburn or John Kyl as RINOS. They both have endorsed Fiorina.