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Republican presidential candidates former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, left, and Texas Gov. Rick Perry speak during a Republican presidential debate Tuesday, Oct. 18, 2011, in Las Vegas

I, always wait a few hours before writing these post-mortems on the GOP Presidential debates. It is best to do so and let all of the spin sort itself out of the blogosphere and my e-mail box.

So, who won and who lost last night?

WINNERS:

Mitt Romney – under personal attack from Rick Perry the Teflon candidate, while not unscathed, managed to repel Perry and remain the front-runner. Mitt has been crusing the past few debates and he proved he can mix it up with the best of them.

Barack Obama
– the President actually looks sane and reasonable as compared to the haranguing group of GOP contenders. The GOP should enforce a poll requirement rule and limit who attends the next few debates and that goes from Rick Santorum to Ron Paul.

LOSERS:


Herman Cain
– his 9-9-9 tax was exposed as the double Valued Added Tax that it is. A tax which WOULD increase taxes on the majority of Americans. Rick Perry was correct when he said it won’t fly.

Michele Bachmann – she continued her decent into the third tier with an uninspiring performance, sticking to her talking points to win over religious conservatives in Iowa. Even if Bachmann wins in Iowa, she is done, just like Huckabee in 2008, but probably with less campaign funds. Romney hopes Michele has enough money to last until January 3 and the Iowa Caucuses. This may be a stretch.

Rick Perry – his Texas BULLYING style will not win him any friends in the GOP or with independent voters. Obama’s campaign team should want to run against this stereotypical boisterous “redneck Texan.” His personal attacks on Romney’s illegal alien gardeners were as hypocritical as Perry’s signing of the Texas Dream Act which delivered subsidized college tuition to Texas illegal aliens. While both are weak on illegal immigration, Perry is far the weaker and proved that again last night.

BIGGEST LOSER:

American people – CNN clearly lost control of this debate and at times it was embarrassing. It seemed it was a yell-filled fest with NO adult in the room. American voters have to be asking: is this the best America or the GOP has to offer as an alternative to President Obama?

What a choice in 2012: a “FAILED and INCOMPETENT” President Obama and a group of juvenile acting POSERS.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Francis/100002158029860 Dave Francis

    In
    Las Vegas last night the best yet presidential candidate’s debate, the sixth
    people standing behind their lecterns pledged a stand against the illegal
    immigration occupation. However, all the Republicans remained somewhat
    tough-tied, when it comes to an overall coherent agenda that could resolve most
    of this nation’s illegal alien issue.

     

    As in the statement by the pro-sovereignty organizations and restricting of legal
    immigration NumbersUSA site during this deep recession: The plan is simple,
    reasonable and equally achievable. Any candidate on the platform could win the
    hearts and admiration of millions of voters, including the tens of millions of
    Tea Party members by adopting this plan and learning to articulate its worth.

    This is a five step plan, to each of your favorite presidential candidates,
    which should include current President Obama. By going to NumbersUSA
    website you can study each grading for each potential personage. On the grid,
    you can click on any photograph to access the contact information.

    HERE IS THE PRINCIPLE ISSUES:

    1. By securing the border as addressed in the 2006 Secure Fence Act, which
    Michelle Bachmann outlined in the debate.

    2. A goal of reversing illegal immigration.

    The federal government’s goal relating to illegal immigration should be to
    reduce the number of illegal aliens in our country, over a period of time and
    in a orderly fashion using every means possible. Representative Lamar Smith’s LEGAL
    WORKFORCE ACT” is a great beginning and should be mandatory act.

    Halting illegal immigration as it now, isn’t enough. Securing the borders as it
    is now, isn’t enough.

    The US authorities have to affect 20 million plus foreigners, to return to
    their homeland. So instead of America becoming an importer of people, we have to
    append more resources to de-magnetizing the attraction and become a net
    exporter of illegal immigration annually.

    A conscientious approach to illegal immigration would seek to craft a program, a
    number of illegal aliens who leave the country annually greater than the number
    who enter the country–annually. Experts who study these policies judge that we
    could attain a net outflow between one million and two million per year by
    implementing or enhancing a handful of procedures that are already known to be
    effective, and in fact are largely premised on existing law. Namely:

    turning off the jobs magnet by requiring workplace
    verification of legal status (i.e., requiring all employers to use the
    existing but not-yet-mandatory program known as E-Verify); Waiting for a
    floor vote, but held back by some Republican politicians.turning off various other magnets such as in-state
    tuition, drivers licenses and birthright citizenship; Building an effective, physical fence on the Mexican
    border; The 2006 Secure Fence Act planned as a double layer fence, stretching
    the majority of the border, with the top lined with concertina razor
    wire.  Between fences a no-man’s
    land for use of mobile Border Patrol units and military troops. deploying a reliable check-in/check-out system for
    visitors to the United States (i.e., fixing the current program known as
    US VISIT); and Enforcing existing deportation laws to perhaps double
    the effect of current enforcement.

    These five measures alone should reduce
    our illegal alien population by half in less than six years. Let us consider
    each measure in turn.

    THE 5 STEPS

    turning off the jobs magnet.

    By far the most significant means of reversing illegal immigration is to stop
    illegal aliens from holding jobs. Without jobs, most illegal aliens will find
    it difficult to support themselves and will return home.

    Candidates would do well to endorse House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith’s
    Legal Workforce Act (Bill H.R. 2885)because it accomplishes more than required
    E-Verify for new hires and sets up systems for identifying and firing illegal aliens
    who have obtained jobs with stolen identities. If you want to free fax, go to
    NumbersUSA or please call Washington at 202-224-3121 and ask for your U.S.
    Senator or Representative’s office to urge action on mandatory E-Verify.

    We need to hear candidates pledge as President to fully enforce every aspect of
    this legislation.

    Turning off other magnets.

    For the same rationale the jobs magnet should be turned off, so too should all
    the other magnets. One example is in-state tuition (Dream Act) for illegal
    aliens. There are others such as the current privilege of not paying for health
    care in hospitals. The biggest, however, is birthright citizenship: the
    granting of American citizenship to a child merely because he or she was born
    here, even if to illegal alien parents. The later is by far the costliest
    taxpayer support mechanism, as misinterpreted in the 14th Amendment.

    Building an effective, physical fence.

    Effective, physical fencing along the Mexican border (i.e., a wall where that
    is fitting, or a double-fence with a barrier road between the fences where that
    is appropriate) is a well-established and bi-partisan idea. Congress has
    already authorized the building of an effective, physical fence along about 700
    miles of the 2000-mile southern border. Building that 700-mile stretch of fence
    is a good start. An even enhanced policy would build 1,000 miles of effective
    fencing encompassing the entire 800-mile ground border between San Diego and El
    Paso, plus another 200 miles of the most desirable river border in Texas. As a
    practical matter, most experts believe it is not necessary to fence the entire
    2,000-mile southern border, but that theory can be tested over time. If 1,000
    miles of fencing proves insufficient, we can build more.

    And to be effective, fencing must have the appropriate level of Border Patrol
    and detection technology.

    Deploying a check-in/check-out system.

    30-40% of illegal aliens first enters the United States on legal visas and then
    overstay. Although Congress authorized a check-in and check-out system in 1996,
    no President has fully implemented it. It isn’t working and so we need an
    efficient method of tracking foreign nationals. The current US-VISIT system,
    for example, makes virtually no effort to have the 45 million foreign visitors
    each year check out. And Congress exempts most Canadians and Mexicans. The
    problems with US-VISIT can all be fixed without undue expense or genuine
    controversy.

    Enforcing existing deportation laws to perhaps double the effects of current
    enforcement.

    Deportations reduce our illegal alien population directly. They also discourage
    illegal entry into the United States in the first place, and they encourage
    illegal aliens already here to leave voluntarily. As of now, we deport less
    than 4% of the illegal alien population each year (despite 100% of that
    population being legally eligible for deportation). Under current policy, large
    numbers of people who are identified by law enforcement as probable illegal
    aliens are never placed into deportation proceedings. THEY WALK! And large
    numbers of those who are subjected to proceedings and ordered deported abscond
    or are otherwise allowed by the federal government to avoid their deportation
    orders. A President could perhaps double the number of illegal aliens who leave
    the country as a result of existing detection without any change in law by
    Congress by increasing cooperation between local law enforcement and the feds,
    by reducing the opportunities for illegal aliens to abscond after deportation
    orders and by requesting that Congress provide more funds for ICE agents,
    immigration judges and detention capacity.

     

    WE
    NEED AN ALERT CONGRESS TO RECOGNIZE ILLEGAL ENTRY AS A FELONY, MAKING
    FOREIGNERS HESITANT BEFORE ARRIVING THROUGH WHATEVER MEANS?  2 to 5 YEARS IMPRISONMENT WOULD BE AN INSTANT
    DETERRENT TO THE ILLEGAL ALIEN INVASION.

     

    This spreading illegal population problem
    will stop over time and the $113 Billion Dollars, taxpayers spend to subsidize these
    people.

    One Old Vet saying, “Stand next to me
    and you’ll never stand alone.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Francis/100002158029860 Dave Francis

    In
    Las Vegas last night the best yet presidential candidate’s debate, the sixth
    people standing behind their lecterns pledged a stand against the illegal
    immigration occupation. However, all the Republicans remained somewhat
    tough-tied, when it comes to an overall coherent agenda that could resolve most
    of this nation’s illegal alien issue.

     

    As in the statement by the pro-sovereignty organizations and restricting of legal
    immigration NumbersUSA site during this deep recession: The plan is simple,
    reasonable and equally achievable. Any candidate on the platform could win the
    hearts and admiration of millions of voters, including the tens of millions of
    Tea Party members by adopting this plan and learning to articulate its worth.

    This is a five step plan, to each of your favorite presidential candidates,
    which should include current President Obama. By going to NumbersUSA
    website you can study each grading for each potential personage. On the grid,
    you can click on any photograph to access the contact information.

    HERE IS THE PRINCIPLE ISSUES:

    1. By securing the border as addressed in the 2006 Secure Fence Act, which
    Michelle Bachmann outlined in the debate.

    2. A goal of reversing illegal immigration.

    The federal government’s goal relating to illegal immigration should be to
    reduce the number of illegal aliens in our country, over a period of time and
    in a orderly fashion using every means possible. Representative Lamar Smith’s LEGAL
    WORKFORCE ACT” is a great beginning and should be mandatory act.

    Halting illegal immigration as it now, isn’t enough. Securing the borders as it
    is now, isn’t enough.

    The US authorities have to affect 20 million plus foreigners, to return to
    their homeland. So instead of America becoming an importer of people, we have to
    append more resources to de-magnetizing the attraction and become a net
    exporter of illegal immigration annually.

    A conscientious approach to illegal immigration would seek to craft a program, a
    number of illegal aliens who leave the country annually greater than the number
    who enter the country–annually. Experts who study these policies judge that we
    could attain a net outflow between one million and two million per year by
    implementing or enhancing a handful of procedures that are already known to be
    effective, and in fact are largely premised on existing law. Namely:

    turning off the jobs magnet by requiring workplace
    verification of legal status (i.e., requiring all employers to use the
    existing but not-yet-mandatory program known as E-Verify); Waiting for a
    floor vote, but held back by some Republican politicians.turning off various other magnets such as in-state
    tuition, drivers licenses and birthright citizenship; Building an effective, physical fence on the Mexican
    border; The 2006 Secure Fence Act planned as a double layer fence, stretching
    the majority of the border, with the top lined with concertina razor
    wire.  Between fences a no-man’s
    land for use of mobile Border Patrol units and military troops. deploying a reliable check-in/check-out system for
    visitors to the United States (i.e., fixing the current program known as
    US VISIT); and Enforcing existing deportation laws to perhaps double
    the effect of current enforcement.

    These five measures alone should reduce
    our illegal alien population by half in less than six years. Let us consider
    each measure in turn.

    THE 5 STEPS

    turning off the jobs magnet.

    By far the most significant means of reversing illegal immigration is to stop
    illegal aliens from holding jobs. Without jobs, most illegal aliens will find
    it difficult to support themselves and will return home.

    Candidates would do well to endorse House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith’s
    Legal Workforce Act (Bill H.R. 2885)because it accomplishes more than required
    E-Verify for new hires and sets up systems for identifying and firing illegal aliens
    who have obtained jobs with stolen identities. If you want to free fax, go to
    NumbersUSA or please call Washington at 202-224-3121 and ask for your U.S.
    Senator or Representative’s office to urge action on mandatory E-Verify.

    We need to hear candidates pledge as President to fully enforce every aspect of
    this legislation.

    Turning off other magnets.

    For the same rationale the jobs magnet should be turned off, so too should all
    the other magnets. One example is in-state tuition (Dream Act) for illegal
    aliens. There are others such as the current privilege of not paying for health
    care in hospitals. The biggest, however, is birthright citizenship: the
    granting of American citizenship to a child merely because he or she was born
    here, even if to illegal alien parents. The later is by far the costliest
    taxpayer support mechanism, as misinterpreted in the 14th Amendment.

    Building an effective, physical fence.

    Effective, physical fencing along the Mexican border (i.e., a wall where that
    is fitting, or a double-fence with a barrier road between the fences where that
    is appropriate) is a well-established and bi-partisan idea. Congress has
    already authorized the building of an effective, physical fence along about 700
    miles of the 2000-mile southern border. Building that 700-mile stretch of fence
    is a good start. An even enhanced policy would build 1,000 miles of effective
    fencing encompassing the entire 800-mile ground border between San Diego and El
    Paso, plus another 200 miles of the most desirable river border in Texas. As a
    practical matter, most experts believe it is not necessary to fence the entire
    2,000-mile southern border, but that theory can be tested over time. If 1,000
    miles of fencing proves insufficient, we can build more.

    And to be effective, fencing must have the appropriate level of Border Patrol
    and detection technology.

    Deploying a check-in/check-out system.

    30-40% of illegal aliens first enters the United States on legal visas and then
    overstay. Although Congress authorized a check-in and check-out system in 1996,
    no President has fully implemented it. It isn’t working and so we need an
    efficient method of tracking foreign nationals. The current US-VISIT system,
    for example, makes virtually no effort to have the 45 million foreign visitors
    each year check out. And Congress exempts most Canadians and Mexicans. The
    problems with US-VISIT can all be fixed without undue expense or genuine
    controversy.

    Enforcing existing deportation laws to perhaps double the effects of current
    enforcement.

    Deportations reduce our illegal alien population directly. They also discourage
    illegal entry into the United States in the first place, and they encourage
    illegal aliens already here to leave voluntarily. As of now, we deport less
    than 4% of the illegal alien population each year (despite 100% of that
    population being legally eligible for deportation). Under current policy, large
    numbers of people who are identified by law enforcement as probable illegal
    aliens are never placed into deportation proceedings. THEY WALK! And large
    numbers of those who are subjected to proceedings and ordered deported abscond
    or are otherwise allowed by the federal government to avoid their deportation
    orders. A President could perhaps double the number of illegal aliens who leave
    the country as a result of existing detection without any change in law by
    Congress by increasing cooperation between local law enforcement and the feds,
    by reducing the opportunities for illegal aliens to abscond after deportation
    orders and by requesting that Congress provide more funds for ICE agents,
    immigration judges and detention capacity.

     

    WE
    NEED AN ALERT CONGRESS TO RECOGNIZE ILLEGAL ENTRY AS A FELONY, MAKING
    FOREIGNERS HESITANT BEFORE ARRIVING THROUGH WHATEVER MEANS?  2 to 5 YEARS IMPRISONMENT WOULD BE AN INSTANT
    DETERRENT TO THE ILLEGAL ALIEN INVASION.

     

    This spreading illegal population problem
    will stop over time and the $113 Billion Dollars, taxpayers spend to subsidize these
    people.

    One Old Vet saying, “Stand next to me
    and you’ll never stand alone.”

  • RowdyAmerican86

    Mitt Romney won? hahaha you are definitely a government shill.

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