President 2008,  Rudy Giuliani

California Anti-Gay Marriage Leader Assails Pat Robertson for Endorsing Rudy Giuliani

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8[/youtube]

Randy Thomasson of the Campaign for Children and Families is upset with Christian Broadcasting Networks Pat Robertson for endorsing Rudy Giuliani today: “Pat Robertson is leading pro-family voters astray by abandoning moral standards for government.”

Chill out Randy. Rudy Giuliani does NOT support Gay Marriage.

And the videos you sent out today are a humorous SPOOF. Here is the other one:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb2y1IM17sM[/youtube]

Something tells Flap that Randy supports another candidate in the GOP field and it probably is NOT Ron Paul.


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27 Comments

  • Adam

    He says he doesn’t support gay marriage NOW, because that’s what he thinks people want to hear. But in 2004 he opposed President’s Bush’s call for a ban against gay marriage. That’s called flip-flopping.

    Let’s see: this guy flip-flops on gay marriage, is pro-abortion, imposed gun control and brought lawsuits against gun manufacturers, and likes to dress up in women’s clothing. Is there ANYTHING conservative about him at all? And if so, what is it??

  • Flap

    Rudy has always been against Gay marriage. No flip there.

    Rudy is pro-choice as was Barry Goldwater.

    Rudy supported reasonable gun controls in a crime ridden urban environment.

    And, dressing up in women’s clothes was a JOKE. Get it?

    Read Giuliani’s bio and his book Leadership and get back to me.

    Oh and yes a British paper named him #1 conservative in the United States.

  • Adam

    How could he always have been against gay marriage if he opposed Bush’s ban on gay marriage in 2004?

    Dressing up in women’s clothes once is a joke. Dressing up in women’s clothes regularly is something more.

  • Flap

    How could he always have been against gay marriage if he opposed Bush’s ban on gay marriage in 2004?

    Got a link to what you are referring?

    Dressing up regularly….please, you are kidding me, right?

  • Adam

    I added a space in the links, so you’ll have to cut and paste them.

    Here’s a link on the gay marriage ban flip-flop:

    Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush’s call for a ban on gay marriage.

    The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush’s proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

    “I don’t think it’s ripe for decision at this point,” he said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

    “I certainly wouldn’t support [a ban] at this time,” added Giuliani, who lived with a gay Manhattan couple when he moved out of Gracie Mansion during his nasty divorce.

    h ttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1774295/posts

    Here’s just a few examples of Rudy’s cross-dressing, three different times in three different outfits. Are there more?

    h ttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/405725964_da4737d7bd.jpg
    h ttp://www.mathies.com/blog/giuliani_drag.jpg
    h ttp://bottleofblog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/guilianidrag.jpg

    Flip-flopping on the gay marriage issue. Dressing as a woman multiple times. Living with gay men. Married 3 times, divorced twice. Admitted adulterer. Pro-abortion. Pro-illegal immigrant. Anti-gun. I also just read that he employs and defends a pedophile priest:

    h ttp://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/archives/2007/10/rudy_employs_pa.php

    As well as Rudy’s friend, patron and former business partner Kerik’s indictment on charges of tax fraud, corruption and conspiracy.

    h ttp://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/how-will-keriks-indictment-affect-giuliani/

    As a lifelong conservative Republican, I can’t for the life of me figure out why some of my fellow Republicans support this man. There’s something goofy about this. There is nothing traditionally conservative about Giuliani. It’s also ridiculous to expect the Christian segment of our population to support such a man.

  • Flap

    The original source link from the Free Republic is no longer good. Got another? And it was from 2004 before the Massachsuetts Legislature approved gay marriage.

    I can tell you the Mayor has NEVER approved Gay MARRIAGE. Now, not supporting a Constitutional amendment I can understand this. But, you have to give me more than what you have.

    The cross-dressing stuff is just silly.

    The priest issue = guilt by association fallacy. And, accused is the operative word here. Has he been convicted of a crime or is it all anecdotal Like the pro-life blogs piece is.

    Kerik’s indictment is Kerik’s crime. Rudy admits an error in recommending him for the Homeland Security position but maintains he did a good job in New York as a Police officer and Commissioner – which is documented.

    I don’t know how old you are but I have been a conservative since 1971 or so. I have many friends in the GOP and Evangelical movement who are supporting Giuliani.

    If you don’t want to vote for him then don’t and support another GOP candidate.

    And leave the Christianity part out of this equation because many of my friends are devout Christians who support Rudy.

    • Adam

      Hey, you can ignore all these things as much as you want. I’ve been a conservative and a Republican voter 10 years long than you have. What does that prove? Nothing.

      The facts are that this candidate does not represent traditional conservative values. He should be running as a Democrat. I also have GOP friends and Christian friends, and they would rather write in another candidate’s name then vote for Giuliani. Some of them are talking about Huckabee and/or Paul. I don’t know how much chance either of them have, but moral people will vote their consciences.

  • Flap

    I’ve been a conservative and a Republican voter 10 years long than you have. What does that prove? Nothing.

    I somehow doubt it.

    Huckabee is not a conservative but what Fred Thompson called a pro-life liberal.

    Ron Paul is a pro-life Libertarian.

    No thanks I’ll take Rudy.

    And, if your friends want to right in someone else please feel free and when Hillary wins then it will be on your conscience.

    Please don’t talk about being moral.

    • Adam

      Why do you doubt that I am a conservative and have been for many many years? Are you calling me a liar? Now, why would people bother to come back here and comment again after you’ve insulted them? How very childish.

      Why shouldn’t I talk about being moral? Is there something wrong with being moral? Is there something wrong with not wanting to vote for an immoral candidate?

      You go right ahead and take Rudy. You can have him. And when Hillary wins, it won’t be on the conscience of those of us who wouldn’t vote for someone with extreme liberal leanings like Rudy. It will be on the conscience of those who sold out the Republican party and its traditional values.

  • Flap

    Read my comments policy please.

    For somebody so moral you don’t even leave a name or a link as to who you are.

    So, until then, I say your claims like your gay marriage claim link are unverified.

    Sold out the GOP?

    Are you kidding me?

    Rudy has been a GOP partisan longer than you have been registered to vote.

  • Adam

    Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush’s call for a ban on gay marriage.

    The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush’s proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

    “I don’t think it’s ripe for decision at this point,” he said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

    “I certainly wouldn’t support [a ban] at this time,” added Giuliani, who lived with a gay Manhattan couple when he moved out of Gracie Mansion during his nasty divorce.

    h ttp://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg/asc/projects/soin/liveIssues/newyorkmarriage.html

    Rudy Said He Would Personally Marry His Gay Roommates

    h ttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/22/flashback-rudy-said-he-w_n_69366.html

    Giuliani Sells Out on Gay Marriage

    Here’s another article. Rudy also flip-flopped on gay civil unions. First he supported them, and now he is against them. Trying to appease real conservatives. Some of us are not fooled.

    h ttp://www.reason.com/blog/show/119895.html

    Want more? There’s probably dozens if not hundreds of articles verifying this information.

  • Flap

    You are confusing gay civil unions or domestic partnerships with gay marriage.

    And Rudy’s opposition to a Constitutional amendment in 2004.

  • Adam

    Nope, I’m not confusing anything.

    In 2004, he opposed an amendment banning gay marriage, and said he would personally marry the two gay men he was living with. Now he says he’s against gay marriage.

    More recently, he is going back on what he said previously on gay civil unions. He said he supported civil unions but not gay marriage, and now he says he is against BOTH of them.

    That’s two flip-flops. From a guy who has no problem committing adultery, living with gay men and dressing as a woman. And you want CONSERVATIVES to take this guy seriously?

  • Flap

    Do more research. And supply some good links to support your argument because they don’t hold up.

    Is living with gay men a crime against conservatism? How about having gay friends?

    Dressing up for a joke is a crime against conservatvism?

    Either you are putting me on or you are a bigot. Which is it?

  • Adam

    I’ve already provided you with several links. How many do you need to accept the truth? If I provided a hundred links showing Giuliani’s flip-flops, would it be enough? I doubt it.

    Since when did accepting homosexuality become a conservative value? Dressing up in women’s clothing? Accepting abortion? Adultery? If you find these to be part of your value system, then you are a LIBERAL, not a conservative. When you call people bigots because they have a conservative value system instead of a pro-homosexuality, pro-abortion value system, then you are a liberal.

    Keep pretending that Giuliani is not a liberal. People are not stupid, and true conservatives are not voting for him.

  • Flap

    The truth?

    Hardly. Your links don’t work or are anecdotal opinion pieces.

    Break it down for me.

    Start with homosexuality.

    What is the “conservative position?”

    • Adam

      My links all work. I just viewed them all again. And all of them are based on news stories. This one is from the New York Sun, detailing one of Rudy’s flip flops. It is not an opinion piece: http://www.nysunpolitics.com/article/30

      If I really have to tell you what a conservative position is, why are you calling yourself a conservative?

  • Flap

    I am a conservative and have been elected to public office as such.

    Tell me what the conservative position on homosexuality is.

    In the link above (which is new) you are confusing the older term of Civil Unions which was used when Rudy was Mayor of New York City, New Hampshire’s new version and Domestic Partnerships. Do you know the difference?

  • Adam

    Do you understand that Giuliani once supported civil unions, and now he doesn’t?

    Once again, one shouldn’t have to tell a conservative what his position ought to be on homosexuality, adultery or abortion.

  • Adam

    Arghh. This just gets worse and worse.

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