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WLS Radio talk show host subjects himself to waterboarding

How do you spell MORON? Oh Yeah MANCOW.

Mancow admits that waterboarding is torture after lasting what 6 or 7 seconds but he could have discovered the same without the moronic exhibition from the journalists who went before – especially Vanity Fair’s Christopher Hitchens. Hitchen’s waterboarding is directly below.

Journalist Christopher Hitchen’s is waterboarded

Here is a reporter from Playboy, Mike Guy who was waterboarded.

See if Mike Guy from Playboy can win his bet he can last 15 seconds?

But, what is the real question for debate here? Is waterboarding torture, like having a red hot poker stuck up your ass or being boiled in oil or being stretched senseless on the rack?

Or is it: whether waterboarding is a valid or moral means of reliable information extraction?

And, to what limits and under whose authority would waterboarding EVER be used? Watch this video where these questions are explored.

So, is torture an impermissible evil? Or are there exceptions?

Rather than having these moronic and horrific displays of the technique itself, let’s move onto exploring what the actual results of the enhanced interrogation methods, including waterboarding were, what works and doesn’t.

President Obama can start the debate by releasing the classified CIA memos for the public to evaluate. No more hiding the ball.


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Political Cartoon by Michael Ramirez

The Question:

Do you approve or disapprove of how each of the following has handled the matter of interrogation techniques used against terrorism suspects?


  • Barack Obama – 59/29%
  • The CIA – 52/31%
  • Democrats in Congress – 44/40%
  • Republicans in Congress – 40/45%
  • Nancy Pelosi – 31/47%

Well, Pelosi is a Liar Liar Pants on fire and Americans know it.

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House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Md., second from right, gestures during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, May 19, 2009. Joining him, from left are, Rep. Xavier Bacerra, D-Calif., Rep. John Larson, D-Conn. and House Majority Whip James Clyburn of South Carolina

A good catch of the nuance of Steny Hoyer defending Nancy Pelosi on CIA enhanced interrrogation techniques, including waterboarding by Jim Geraghty of National Review.

In an effort to help out Nancy Pelosi, the number two Democrat in the House, Steny Hoyer, asserts that CIA Director Leon Panetta doesn’t know what he’s talking about: “As I understand, Mr. Panetta’s notes don’t reflect that. Mr. Panetta was not there and he wasn’t the director. I haven’t seen the notes.”

Hoyer has now effectively doubled down on Pelosi’s claim, arguing that Panetta is lying when he wrote, “our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing “the enhanced techniques that had been employed.”

Read the entire piece in which Hoyer asserts: “I believe the Speaker.” Yet…………

Asked by Tuesday whether he agreed with Pelosi’s more general statement that the CIA misleads Congress all the time, Hoyer said: “You guys want to hang on to this like a laser. I think that’s unfortunate. What the speaker said was she was not specifically advised as to the specific enhanced interrogation techniques that were being utilized. I believe her when she says that. I’m not going to go into every other facet of this that you — I’m not going to go into every facet of this. I made my statement. I think it’s pretty clear. I hope nobody here misinterprets what I just said.”

So, what the hell does that mean?

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer has essentially said that CIA Director Leon Panetta does not know what he is talking about, insists that Speaker Pelosi has a great memory and doesn’t want to committ to the proposition that the CIA misleads us all of the time, as Pelosi maintains.

Typical POL DOUBLESPEAK – but watch him stick the knife in Pelosi’s back, if she appears wounded.

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This poll result is hard to fathom but here it is.


And, it is split pretty much along partisan lines.

In typical partisan fashion, 62% of Democrats give Pelosi the benefit of the doubt while 62% of Republicans hold the opposite view. As for those not affiliated with either major political party, 38% say the CIA may have misled the current House speaker, but 48% say it’s not likely.

The ideological divide is similar: 70% of liberals take Pelosi’s side, but just 24% of conservatives agree.

Looks like Pelosi will survive for a while and Flap bets there will be NO truth commission on Bush era enhanced interrogation techniques lest it drudge up Pelosi’s lies and sins again.

For the GOP Pelosi becomes the new Hillary of fundraising opportunities as the CIA continues undermine her authority as Speaker.

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Political Cartoon by Michael Ramirez

  • By the end of June?

  • By Labor Day?

  • By the end of the year?

There is Intrade action on all three scenarios.

When will Obama and the Democrats view Pelosi as the liability she is because of her LIES on waterboarding and blaming the CIA?

Exit Answer: By Labor Day – sometime during the summer Congressional recess.

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