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Susan Atkins Parole Hearing Rescheduled to September 2, 2009

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This undated file handout photo provided by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation shows Susan Atkins. Atkins was expected to succumb to brain cancer months ago, but the former Charles Manson follower imprisoned for killing actress Sharon Tate nearly four decades ago still clings to life. Now, a hearing that is perhaps her last chance at freedom has been abruptly put off until September 2009.

So says the California Department of Corrections.

Atkins has served 38 years in prison, longer than any other female prisoner, officials said. Before last year’s attempt, she was most recently considered for, and denied, parole in 2000.

In early 2008 Atkins was diagnosed with brain cancer. With one leg amputated and the other paralyzed, Atkins has only six months to live, doctors say. Atkins petitioned for so-called compassionate release, igniting a debate about when mercy is appropriate.

Those backing her release argued unsuccessfully that the cost of keeping Atkins in prison, which by now could be well over a million dollars, should have favored her release because it would save the state substantial amounts of money.

Others, including former Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi, said it was a question of mercy and told The Times it was wrong to say “just because Susan Atkins showed no mercy to her victims, we therefore are duty-bound to follow her inhumanity and show no mercy to her.”

But most were unwavering in their contention she should die in prison considering her crimes.

Tate, the wife of film director Roman Polanski, was 8 1/2 months pregnant when she and four others were killed at her hilltop home in Benedict Canyon. The actress, who was stabbed to death, had begged Atkins for her life.

“She asked me to let her baby live,” Atkins told parole officials in 1993. “I told her I didn’t have mercy for her.”

Atkins was housed at the California Institution for Women in Corona from April 1971 until March 2008, when she was transferred to a local hospital for treatment.

And, here is why, Susan Atkins will likely die in prison:

Remember Susan Atkins famously told a sobbing and begging Sharon Tate prior to her murder and mutilation, “Look bitch, I have no mercy for you.”

Susan Atkins should remain incarcerated for the rest of her natural life.

Look BITCH, the people of California have NO MERCY for you.

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143 thoughts on “Susan Atkins Parole Hearing Rescheduled to September 2, 2009

  1. Hatred never does the job. She spent her life in jail and she just wants a few months to die. Let her go.

  2. She has NOT paid her dues, she was sentenced to die and she will not have paid her dues until she is dead.

  3. Just look for a while more at the above photo. Do you think she has really paid her dues. “Screw her”, so excellantly put by Thomas Jackson.

  4. Nobody’s going to meet “Satan”. There is no Satan. When you’re dead, you’re dead. Game over.

    I fervently hope that all the haters someday find themselves in the position of needing compassion and that they get the same answer – screw you!

  5. If that was Your sister or mother lying there..Would you still say “Let her out?”..All of them should stay in jail and die there….!!!

  6. susan atkins was a child that was molded into a killer by manson.she was a child.she has definitely paid her debt to society.she’s 3/4 dead already.let her have a couple days of freedom.

  7. I think she rocks. Atta girl…
    Let her go. And lets toss all these stone throwing judgemental jesus freaks in jail instead.

  8. She was no child. She was a f*cking nut job, and very much of age. And I won’t ever be in the position to ask for mercy from a parole board, probably because I will never stab someone, only stopping because my hand cramps up and laughing hysterically about it. Let the b*tch rot. I hope her leg was cut off the good old fashioned way: a chainsaw and a “I have no mercy for you b*tch” along with a great big smile. Surely Manson and his band of douche bags would get a kick out of that. In fact, Susan would have gotten a kick out of it, in her hey-day. Get it? A kick? LOL

  9. There are some very sick people out there. The commenter Ghasst above must be one of them. It is too bad that we can’t lock them up before they commit an act such as the Tate murder, instead of after. How can society protect itself against this fringe element who would make such comments. Unfortunately, in a free society, we have to let people commit their bloody acts before we lock them up.

  10. She got the death penalty and then she got life. In order to get life she had to kill someone.

    Is it too hard to comprhend when someone gets a life sentence that it is expected that one will die in prison ?

    You want this psyco bitch to come live with you ?

  11. She should be executed. Or left to die in jail with no medical attention. Look at those pictures, it is sad to think that some people actually worship them and have respect for what they did. Would respect them if it was your mother lying on that floor. The state of California is going broke, and should not waste one more penny on health care for this woman. I know I sound hateful. But justice is not a pampered life in prison.

  12. I hope she rots in prison and then begin the real payback in the after life.

    She changed the lifes of so many in such horrid ways.

    If she was honest about what she did, she should be asking for the electric chair in her final hours instead of lying in bed dying.

  13. # Pseudonym says:
    June 23rd, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Nobody’s going to meet “Satan”. There is no Satan. When you’re dead, you’re dead. Game over.

    I fervently hope that all the haters someday find themselves in the position of needing compassion and that they get the same answer – screw you!

    Pseudonym,how about they let Susan Atkins live with you til she dies,you can change her CRAPPY diapers, feed her through a feeding tube,bathe her,turn her over every 2 hours and clean her bed & dress her and tend to her stump of a leg AND PAY her medical bills.THEN I will BELIEVE what you say.Better think about what you tell other people,they might make you prove it cuz I think you are full of bullshit.
    For the record,SATAN IS REAL & God doesn’t believe in Atheists.

  14. That’s the problem, give her the electric chair and cut the medical bills.

    Satan is very real and for those saying they hope we “haters” never find ourselfs asking for that kind of mercy: I will never do what she did, so I don’t have to worry about that.

    And if I ever did, which I wont but if I did for whatever reason, I will make sure to take my own life first before putting the victims through more pain of having to hear my pathic plead for mercy during probation hearing.

  15. If there was justice, she should be given the electric chair to finalize it.

    Amazing to me how disgusting it is of her to put the surviving victims through more parole hearings.

    Simply amazing.

  16. 1. If you are Christian and follow the ways of Jesus Christ, you would know that compassion is a major tenet of the Christian faith. Jesus wants you to forgive. God forgives everyone. No matter what the sin, you are forgiven if you ask forgiveness. It is wrong of you to say rot in hell to this woman if you truly find yourself to be a Christian. It’s hypocritical and one of the many reasons I have found myself as far away from the Christian faith as possible. I was raised in it, I am well-versed and quite knowledgeable concerning what a good Christian should do. Stop placing your judgment on this woman and telling her to rot in hell. Your sin by passing this judgment is just as heavy in God’s eyes as the murder of all of these people. No sin is worse than another. If you’d like to disagree, I’d like you to get out your bible and read a good bit.

    2. Just because the United States says you are an adult at 18, does not make you an adult psychologically. The adolescent mind is not fully formed and is not capable of reasoning and understanding consequences until around 25-26. It is highly impressionable and most people in that age group are willing to do most anything to feel like they are loved and belong. Under the influence of a very convincing person and the overwhelming group mindset, a person will do just about anything. Please refer to the Milgram experiment :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment. When told to obey orders, people are willing to commit atrocious acts. It may be wrong and deserves punishment, but compassion is also important for these people.

    3. Those who say she should be without medical treatment are just as guilty as she is. That is beyond cruel and unusual and would actually be more painful and more traumatic than the killing of Sharon Tate. That would not be an eye for an eye. She’s served her time. Let her out and let her die with dignity. She has spent all her time living with these horrible acts she committed. It will never leave her, even if she’s out of jail. Stop wasting our money, and let the woman just die on her own.

  17. If Susan was a real Christian she would not put the surviving victim relatives through any further torture by making them have to appear before a parole board and re-count a horrid time.

    God forgives and I hope and pray Susan will be saved. What many Christians wrongly assume is that forgivess equals no pay-back.

    King David was forgiven by God, HOWEVER, King David had to pay the price for his Sin. David had to endure watching his wives raped by guards, all his power taken away and all his family taken apart. But was David forgiven? YES! God said so but he had to pay the price.

    Many Christians knowingly sin because they think that they will be forgiven and all will be forgotten. Sins will be forgiven BUT the payback is HELL.

  18. Yankeerose—-I couldn’t agree with you more!!! It has always amazed me how murderers “find” Jesus in prison….. Pretty darn convenient.

  19. RON! 1 John 1:9 (King James Version)

    9:If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    It doesn’t matter to me where someone “FINDS” Jesus,just so they really do.

  20. There is NO reason that woman should be freed. The whole movement of that period of time was a bunch of narcissistic people just like her thinking that they could escape through someone else and not be responsible for their actions…”manson made me do it” I don’t buy it. There should indeed be no mercy for that bitch Susan Atkins…in fact I think it’s delicious karma that she is an amputee with brain cancer rotting in prison…where she belongs for the crime she committed.

  21. Ron,I can’t get past your Doctrine.All that stuff with King David was during the time of LAW,We live under Grace now.Grace means unmerited FAVOR & LOVE!!!God isn’t an Ogre waiting to make people who say they know Christ & REPENT, suffer for a sin they did when they were lost.Please be more learned in the words of Christ,people get turned off by that kind of thing.When you prayed for Salvation did you say, Lord Jesus I am a sinner and I know you are the Savior please forgive me come into my heart and live in me, be Lord & master of my life but I know Your blood is not strong enough to FORGIVE ALL MY SINS cuz I DON’T BELIEVE YOU ARE THAT POWERFUL!Thats your doctrine,not the doctrine of CHRIST

  22. Yanke: God forgives. We need to pray and ask for God’s help in dealing with out sins. We are human, we sin, period.

    God is love and God forgives, that does NOT CHANGE THE PAST nor what happened. The past cannot be changed, only forgiven and God forgives.

    Many Christians equate forgiveness with forgetting. Again, King David asked God for forgiveness for the murder he commited. God forgave King David but God *ALSO* allowed King David to pay for his crimes.

    King David had to watch his wives and children savegely raped over and over. Had to watch his kingdom go down into HELL.

  23. Ron.FIRST KING DAVID’S WIVES AND CHILDREN WERE NEVER ASSAULTED BY GUARDS. HIS SON TOOK THEM AND HAD INTERCOURSE WITH THEM IN FRONT OF EVERYONE. IN OTHER WORDS HE HAD NO SHAME ABOUT IT. THEN HIS SON RAPED TAMAR DAVID’S DAUGHTER ,AND WAS KILLED. YOU ARE MISS INFORMED AND NEED TO READ THE BOOK CLOSER.THE APOSTLE PAUL WAS A MURDERER AND SAID HE WAS CHIEF AMONG SINNERS!GOD FORGAVE HIM AND NEVER EVER HELD WHAT HE DID AGAINST HIM,THE ONLY REASON PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAY THIS STUFF IS BECAUSE YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FORGIVENESS YOU ARE TO FLESHLY FOR UNDERSTANDING.JUST LIKE A PERSON REALIZING JESUS WAS SIN LESS AND DIED FOR ALL THE SINS OF THE WORLD, MINE, YOURS ,EVERYONE’S.YOU DO NOT SEE JOHN 3 16.YOU WANT A GET OUT OF HELL FREE CARD FOR YOURSELF BUT FOR A PERSON LIKE SUSAN ATKINS THE RULES ARE DIFFERENT.HYPOCRISY IS A SIN MY FRIEND. I’LL BET YOU ARE A FUNDAMENTALIST BAPTIST

  24. MARLA,HAVE YOU EVER TAKEN BIRTH CONTROL PILLS?CUZ IF YOU HAVE YOU ARE A MURDERER. HAVE YOU EVER HAD AN ABORTION,LIED,GOSSIPED ,PICKED UP A PEN THAT WAS’NT YOURS,JUDGED A PERSON THAT WAS HOMELESS AS BEING TO LAZY TO WORK,BEEN DRUNK,HAD SEX WITHOUT BEING MARRIED,BEEN A LESBIAN,WATCHED PORNOGRAPHY,SMOKED WEED,DROVE OVER THE SPEED LIMIT?ALL THIS WHILE REJOICING IN INIQUITY.YOU HAVE JUDGED A PERSON HERE ON THIS BLOG,THERE ARE NO BIG SINS AND LITTLE SINS TO GOD.HE SAID IF YOU ARE GUILITY OF ONE YOU ARE GUILTY OF ALL.

  25. Yankee, you are missing the point on purpose I guess for your convenience.

    12:11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

    God is angry at David for having Uriah killed. As a punishment, he will have David’s wives raped by his neighbor while everyone else watches.

    The bottom line is this: God forgives. God is loving. I am no better than you Yankee and you are no better than I. We are both sinners.

    God destroyed an entire city when they went so currupt that most would not listen. God is loving, but God does not turn a face to SIN.

    God FORGIVES but the DAMAGE CANNOT BE UN-DONE. Payback IS HELL!

    Answer me this Yankee: Why o why does Susan Atkins put the surviving victims through 11 (YES ELEVEN) parol hearings where the victims have to re-live that horrid memory? Do you know how hard it is to stand before the person who murdered your love one and have to hear that person demand to be released?

    Why is Susan Atkins putting all those inocent victims through sucn pain again? How much more pain does she want to inflict?

  26. yankeerose says:

    Nobody’s going to meet “Satan”. There is no Satan. When you’re dead, you’re dead. Game over.

    I fervently hope that all the haters someday find themselves in the position of needing compassion and that they get the same answer – screw you!

    Pseudonym,how about they let Susan Atkins live with you til she dies,you can change her CRAPPY diapers, feed her through a feeding tube,bathe her,turn her over every 2 hours and clean her bed & dress her and tend to her stump of a leg AND PAY her medical bills.THEN I will BELIEVE what you say.Better think about what you tell other people,they might make you prove it cuz I think you are full of bullshit.
    For the record,SATAN IS REAL & God doesn’t believe in Atheists.

    THIS FORUM IS FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINION. IT IS NOT YOUR PERSONAL PREACHING PODIUM. HOW DARE YOU LECTURE TO ME. YOU DON’T KNOW ME, SO GO PREACH ELSEWHERE ELSE.

  27. Hell is very real!

    If Susan Atkins thinks that she has paid society for her horrid crimes by demanding to be released 11 times, she is in for one HELL of a surprise when she dies.

    What Susan is going through now with the cancer in her brain and amputation of one leg is nothing compared with the HELL that is waiting for her upon death. What she is going through now will be a joy-ride compared to what is waiting for her.

    Again, I pray that Susan is forgiven but the payback will be HELL for Susan forgiven or not. Oh yes, all those 11 times Susan put the victims through hell by having to have the victims sit through parole hearings re-living that horid moment, that too will be in the queue for Susan to pay.

    The bible repeately explains the concequences of Sin. God forgives us and God continues to tell us not to SIN because the paybak is HELL. If honest people realized how costly payback is, few would Sin.

    The story of King David is the best example. God loved King David and God protected David. When David sinned horribly, God forgave King David BUT told David to get ready for PAYBACK. God even let David choose the PAYBACK method for which David could not pick because all of the options were all very ugly.

    God is loving and he wants us NOT to Sin nor to be in pain. However, once SIN is committed by our God-given right to do Evil if we choose to, God is dissapointed and God will forgive us if we ask for forgiveness, but PAYBACK is now in order and PAYBACK is HELL.

    Unfortunately many modern Christians think that forgiveness MEANS forgetting and that the SINS of the past is behind them and only the future counts. WRONG! The SINS are forgiven but NOT FORGOTTEN and HELL is the payback.

  28. I SPOKE TO A FRIEND OF MINE TODAY THAT IS AN ATTORNEY & WE ARE ALL PRETTY STUPID ON THIS BLOG. HERE IS WHAT WOULD GO ON CONCERNING THE COMPASSIONATE RELEASE SUSAN ATKINS WHITEHOUSE HUSBAND WHO IS HER ATTORNEY MR.JAMES W. WHITEHOUSE ASKED FOR COMPASSIONATE RELEASE.ACCORDING TO THE LAWS ON THIS SUBJECT,SUSAN WOULD NOT BE “RELEASED”” PARDONED” OR “FREED”,NO FORGIVENESS AT ALL.ALL A COMPASSIONATE RELEASE DOES DO IS GIVE SUSAN’S FAMILY MEMBERS ACCESS TO VISIT HER IN THE PRIVATE HOSPITAL SHE HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED TO IN JULY 2008,SUSAN WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GO TO THE HOME OF HER HUSBAND OR ANOTHER FAMILY MEMEBER,IN TURN OF THE COMPASSIONATE RELEASE HER HUSBAND JAMES W. WHITEHOUSE WOULD BE TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MEDICAL BILLS OF SUSAN ,NOT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WHO IS ALREADY BROKE.NOW THERE ARE THE FACTS.TO DENY HER FAMILY VISITS FOR HER IS CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT THE FOLLOWING IS QUOTE FROM VINCENT BUGLIOSI” I who prosecuted Atkins, said he was not opposed to her release given her current condition, adding that she had paid “substantially, though not completely, for her horrendous crimes. Paying completely would mean imposing the death penalty.” Bugliosi also stated that he supported her release in order to save the state money. The cost for Atkins’ medical care since she was hospitalized on March 18, 2008 has reportedly surpassed $1.15 million with additional cost of over $300,000 to guard her hospital room.” Bugliosi stated that he was challenging the notion that “just because Susan Atkins showed no mercy to her victims, we therefore are duty-bound to follow her inhumanity and show no mercy to her.”

  29. MARLA,I STRUCK A NERVE,I WILL SAY WHAT I WANT, WHEN I WANT AND TO WHOM EVER I WANT. SEE LITTLE GIRL THIS IS AMERICA AND WE HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH!I NOTICE YOUR HYPOCRITICAL ATTITUDE. YOU SAY NOTHING TO RON THE BAPTIST BECAUSE YOU AGREE WITH HIM.I JUST TOLD YOU TO LOOK INSIDE YOUR OWN SELF BEFORE YOU GO PASSING JUDGMENT ON SUSAN ATKINS WHITEHOUSE.THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH,KEEP TALKING AND IN SO DOING YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF!

  30. Yankeerose, I’m quite sure you’ve driven more people FROM Jesus than TO Jesus with you bible quoting rhetoric bullshit. As we both “find ourselves”, you might want to ask yourself why you hate baptists sooooo much??

    Susan/Sadie Atkins = Murderous, Baby Killing, Sociopath, Psychotic, Piece of Shit, unworthy of sucking one more breath of precious air

  31. RON THE BAPTIST, WHEN DID GOD DIE AND ELECT YOU IN HIS PLACE? YOU ARE SAD,GOD DOESN’T THROW PEOPLE IN HELL WHO HAVE REALLY REPENTED.YOU HAVE JUDGED SUSAN ATKINS WHITEHOUSE WHEN YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT’S IN HER HEART.YOU ARE HYSTERICALLY SCREAMING HELL DEATH MURDER.YOU DO NOT HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD IN YOUR HEART.YOU LIKE THE OLD TESTAMENT SO MUCH SO HERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED AT WOMAN IN LUST,HAD SEX OUTSIDE THE BONDS OF MARRIAGE,KILLED A NEIGHBORS CAT,LIED,CHEATED GOD OUT OF A TITHE COMMITTED ADULTERY,WORKED ON THE SABBATH DAY?DID’NT OBEY YOUR PARENTS,THEN YOU ARE GUILTY OF THE DEATH PENALTY ACCORDING TO GOD AND THE OLD TESTAMENT AND IT’S HELL FOR YOU !!!!!READ THE STORY OF DAVID CAREFULLY DAVID DESERVED THE DEATH PENALTY BUT GOD TOLD NATHAN THE PROFIT THAT HE SEARCHED ALL OF ISRAEL TO REPLACE DAVID AND COULD FIND NO MAN,NO MAN WITH THE HEART OF DAVID.STOP WITH THE GOD’S GONNA SEND US ALL TO HELL GOD SENDS NO ONE YOU SEND YOURSELF.PUT THAT IN YOUR BAPTIST PIPE AND SMOKE IT

  32. MARLA, YOU ARE PITIFUL,WEAK MINDED AND I AIN’T THE ONE QUOTING THE BIBLE FOR 14 PARAGRAPH’S LIKE RON THE BAPTIST YOU ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND OR HAVE NOT READ WHAT I AM SAYING.GO BACK AND RE READ MY POST ON COMPASSIONATE RELEASE AGAIN .YOU HAVE ONLY HALF READ WHAT I SAID.BY THE BY,YOU ARE THE ONE FULL OF RHETORIC BULL SHIT,NOT ME LITTLE GIRL.I TOLD YOU THE TRUTH AND IT BUGGED YOU CUZ MAYBE YOU DO AFTER ALL HAVE A CONSCIENCE.

  33. RON & MARLA,YOU ARE A BUNCH OF NAZI COMMUNISTS . ABUSERS OF HUMANITY,GO LIVE IN NORTH KOREA OR SOMEPLACE NAZI’S THE WHOLE BUNCH OF YOU.RON THE BIBLE BANGING IDIOT AND MARLA THE NAZI WHORE

  34. Yankee you idiot: I never said Go d will forgive and send forgiven poeople to HELL.

    I said that the PAYBACK is HELL and the Bible is very clear about this. You can be forgiven and yet GO THROUGH HELL for your sins.

    You keep saying that Susan’s medical expenses are high and thus, one of the reasons why she should be released. Susan medical expenses are indeed HIGH and that money could be better spent unfortuatelly. One more PAYBACK Susan will have to pay.

    All that money which is going to Susan instead of those who cannot eat today. That’s the ugly part of SIN. The indirect consequences.

    Yankee – I will pray for you. You are one mis-guided soul.

  35. Yankeerose/Fruitloop, Seriously, you need help. Go back on your meds or make an appointment with a therapist. I’m sure there are mental health facilities in your area.

  36. marla,NAZI NAZI NAZI,GO LIVE IN IRAQ WHEN YOU GIVE THAT STUFF AWAY FREELY THREY’LL GIVE YOU THE DEATH PENALTY AND I WILL LAUGH AT YOU SLUT

  37. Yankee, You have very serious problems. In one breath, you defend the murderous Sadie Atkins and in another, you are calling me a slut and nazi whore because I don’t agree with you. Get help.

  38. MARLA THE NAZI..YOU ARE A POLITICAL WHORE AND THAT MAKES YOU A NAZI.YOU CAN’T TEACH IGNORANT UNEDUCATED SUPERSTITIOUS ILLITERATE PEOPLE ANYTHING,BECAUSE THEY ARE POLITICAL NAZI’S

  39. So Yankee: Why are you avoding answering my question? Did I finally corner you and you can’t defend Susan Atkins?

  40. Flap, thank you intervening. My apologies to everyone for inciting Yankeerose. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even us nazi whores ;-))

  41. FLAP,THIS AIN’T THE FIRST GRADE…..I AM AN ADULT AND LAST TIME I CHECKED WE HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO SPEAK OUR MIND.FREEDOM TO AMERICA!DEATH TO CENSORSHIP,MCCARTHYISM IS DEAD BUT NOT ON THIS NAZI BLOG

  42. Yankeerose,

    Please read the terms of use above.

    And, don’t call me names.

    Consider this a warning.

    I have deleted your last comment and if another appears like the last I will ban you.

  43. RON ,I HAVE NOT SEEN A QUESTION FROM YOU ONLY RELIGIOUS HYSTERIA ON YOUR PART,YOU ARE THE CORNERED NOT I.NO ONE CORNERS ME EVER.SUSAN ATKINS WHITE HOUSE HAS A LEGAL RIGHT ACCORDING TO CALIFORNIA STATE LAW TO ASK FOR FREEDOM AFTER A CERTAIN CRITERIA IS MET WITH THE PAROLE BOARD.IF YOU DON;T LIKE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN CALIFORNIA WRITE A LETTER TO THE CONGRESS,GOVERNOR,SENATE EVERONE YOU CAN THINK OF TO CHANGE THERE LAWS.I SAID ONCE,& ONLY ONCE THAT SUSAN ATKINS WHITEHOUSE’ BILLS WERE HIGH.I SAID HER HUSBAND ASKED FOR RELEASE SO THEY COULD SEE HER EVERYDAY TIL SHE DIED,NOT ONCE A MONTH.I SAID HE WANTED TO PAY HER BILLS SO LET HIM DO IT. CALIFORNIA IS BROKE.HOW WILL SUSAN PAY MONEY BACK WHEN SHE IS DEAD RON????YOU CAN’T GET MONEY FROM DEAD PEOPLE! DUH….NO BODY IS FORCED TO GO TO THESE PAROLE HEARINGS THEY CAN WRITE LETTERS TO THE PAROLE BOARD JUST LIKE I DID FOR THE 3 SCUM THAT SHOT MY COUSIN MISSY IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD IN 1985 IN HELL HOLE ALABAMA.HE WAS 14 YEARS OLD AND SHE WAS WORKING AT A STORE AT NIGHT,HE NEVER ASKED FOR FORGIVENESS NOR ADMITTED TO ANYTHING HE DID,THEY HAD THAT SORRY LITTLE BASTARD ON TAPE TOO SHOWED THE WHOLE THING,I WATCHED HIM GUN HER DOWN IN COLD BLOOD ON THAT TAPE, IN THE DA’S OFFICE,HE LEFT HER SON WITHOUT A MOTHER SHE WAS 21 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME. THE OTHER TWO MURDERS WERE 16& 17 THEY COMMITTED SUICIDE BEFORE THEY WENT TO HOLMAN PRISON CERTIFIED FOR DEATH ROW.THERE NAMES ARE AS FOLLOWS,SCOTT DAVIS17,CASEY MORE,16,CHRISTOPHER WHITE 14.THEY NEVER EVER SAID THEY WERE SORRY THEY WERE PROFESSED SATANISTS,THEY ACTED LIKE THE MANSON GIRLS BACK IN 1969,THE DIFFERENCE FOR SUSAN ATKINS IS I BELIEVE SHE WAS REMORSEFUL I READ HER BOOKS AND HEARD HER, SAW HER COUNTENANCE CHANGE ,IT HAD TO BE REAL SHE SAID IN HER BOOK SHE BELIEVED SHE WAS POSSESSED,I CAN ONLY GO BY HER WORDS AND THE THINGS SHE DID IN PRISON. I’LL BET NONE OF YOU READ A SINGLE BOOK SHE WROTE EVER, ONLY LISTENED TO THE MEDIA AND THEY WILL ONLY TELL YOU WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO HEAR. AND NO MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT MY COUSIN MISSY,YES IF ONE OF THEM WAS DYING AND THERE PARENT OR SPOUSE WANTED TO VISIT THEM IN A HOSPITAL TILL THEY DIED LET THEM.WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A NATION OF EDUCATED COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE NOT BARBARIANS IF IT MAKES HER HUSBAND HAPPY TO VISIT HER EVERYDAY THEN LET HIM DO IT SHE WON’T BE FREED,PARDONED OR FORGIVEN IN ANY MANOR READ MY POST AGAIN,AND AGAIN TIL YOU HEAR ME.ALL THE BOYS THAT KILLED MY COUSIN ARE DEAD AT THEIR OWN HANDS AND IT HAS NEVER GONE AWAY FOR MY FAMILY,EVERY HOLIDAY GET TOGETHER AND WHEN I AM SITTING HERE SHE IS WITH ME THE MEMORY IS THERE ALWAYS.

  44. BUT I HAD TO FORGIVE IN A SORT OF WAY.IT WILL RUIN YOUR LIFE,MY PASTOR AT THE TIME TOLD ME, ROSE,YOU MUST FORGIVE IN ORDER TO BE IN THE WILL OF GOD,IT’S OK TO BE ANGRY,BUT BE ANGRY AT THE ONE WHO MADE THEM DO IT SATIN. BUT DON’T HATE, IT WILL DESTROY YOU AND CONSUME YOUR BEING TILL NOTHING EXITS ANYMORE BUT BITTER HATRED AND YOU HAVE BECOME AS THOSE BOYS THEN .NO BETTER THAN THEM. SIN IS SIN TO GOD ROSE AND SIN KEEPS YOU FROM HIS WILL AND SEPARATES US FROM GOD,IT WILL DESTROY ALL THE BEAUTY OF MISSY’S LIFE AND DESTROY HER LITTLE BOY TOO.SO SEE I CAN ANSWER CUZ I LIVE IT.

  45. *44) Missy Macon 21, was murdered while working in a convenience store on May 26, 1985 in Ragland, Alabama. She was shot in the back of the head with a .25 caliber handgun. Cayce Moore, 16, a D & D Dumgeon Master with a 142 IQ, said, “I lived Dungeons and Dragons” and had been playing it for 5 years. He committed the murder and then fled with two other young D & D players to Florida after stealing $700. None of the youngsters had any history of crime. Cayce was planning to be a surgeon and one of his friends was planning to be in the FBI (Daily Press-AP 7/7/85).

    THIS IS AN EXCERPT FROM A WEB SITE ABOUT ROLE PLAYING GAMES AND SATANISM BY MY COUSINS FRIEND.

  46. Yankeerose,

    No, you are not banned.

    You are on moderation for a while because of your foul language.

    If you can demonstrate some restraint I will remove the moderation as well.

  47. Yankee, since you can write but not read, let me repeat:

    Why does Susan continue to cause PAIN to the surviving victims by making those inocent people have to go before a parole board and hear Susan demand to be released?

    I am not talking about the legal aspect, but a moral question. Why does Susan continue to cause pain and sin on those inocent people who did nothing to her?

  48. CENSORED BECAUSE I CALLED THE MURDERER OF MY FIRST COUSIN THE “B” WORD FOR A MALE THA’S ILLEGITIMATE

  49. IT’S OBVIOUS YOU RON HAVE READ MY POST WITH THE ANSWER OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE STATED “I am not talking about the legal aspect, but a moral question. Why does Susan continue to cause pain and sin on those inocent people who did nothing to her?

  50. Flap,I was thinking,i am basically grounded here, so I was thinking.The last time I was grounded was in 86 or 87 my would be husband was racing his Speedway bike at Ascot Park & he wrecked badly and I said the” F “word really Load.My Mother promptly took me to the crew chief trailer and let me have it.The next day my Dad the Sign painter air brushed me a t shirt that said” MY NAME IS ROSE AND I’M A POTTY MOUTH”they made me wear it to humiliate me “teach me a lesson”

  51. Yankeerose,

    You are not being censored but are on moderation because of your propensity to use obscene language including calling others foul names.

    My terms of use are above for all to read.

  52. Propensity an often intense natural inclination or preference….favorable disposition or partiality.
    yes that is me.it’s ok I have been CENSORED my entire life.I once marched for the books being banned & burned.They banned Little Women ,Of Mice and Men,there is a whole list “they” did not want us reading…really come now,Little Women!See how censorship is Illegal,UNCONSTITUTIONAL, immoral and reminiscent of the NAZI REGIME

  53. Yannkee, you avoided the question.

    You are asking for compasion for Susan. Why is Susan not being compansionate to the surviving victims? Why is she forcing the victims to re-live that horrid moment by forcing the victims to sit through the parole hearings?

  54. well…all I know is… God punishes ugly.. and if this isn’t the perfect example, I don’t know what would be. Her crimes were horrible … setting her free for any reason sends the wrong message to others who feel punishment for murder has any other ending than being put to death or spending the rest of their life in jail.

  55. Exactly.

    What is waiting for Susan the moment she dies is going to be very VERY ugly.

    On top of all of the horrible things Susan has done, as if that is not enough already, will be ther putting the surviving victims through parole tourture.

    Oh man, one juicy setup is sure waiting for Susan.

  56. I honestly think Ron is one of the few sane ones here, you others arguing for susan are nothing but posers.

    You try and argue the case for forgiveness,throw around bible verses, yet sound like sailers. wth kind of witness is that? what kind of testimony is that?

    you compound the ignorance/arrogance BY USING ALL CAPS THINKING IT’LL MAKE YOUR POINT CLEARER.
    it won’t, it makes you look childish and immature.

    you keep throwing around forgiveness like it’s a “get out of jail free card” literally, and insinuate that those that don’t agree with you are somehow “lesser” christians for it, ignoring the obvious that though god can forgive her if she’s really sorry, that doesn’t change the debt she owes to civil authorities that god put in charge over US as well.

    (Or did you guys think you had a monopoly on the bible and the holy spirit?)

    As already stated, IF she was really sorry she wouldn’t continue to make things harder for her victoms, she would “be content, in all things” & “To live is christ, to die is gain.” as paul said.

    and if you cared about her cause, as you so obviously pretend to do, you would’ve made the case for her ONCE, and let it rest, instead of continuing to foment hatred and resentment with this continued bickering and arguing FOR YOUR OWN EGOS.

    but you go right ahead and continue your lil “games”, you’ll answer for it one day too.

  57. what happened in 69 was the devils work, but what about the government? they kill people everyday & people think its ok! we live in a world of hate! if u dont have money your nothing,but if u have money u r everything!we allow paper to control life! we all know that god does not exist in the government,all that exists is money, power, greed,& murder! let atkins go home & die their!!! she has did her time,now she will die.if u cant forgive her,how can u forgive the government for their crimes ,oh thats right all those innocent people killed by the government r not famous,silly me! PEOPLE R EQUAL IN THE EYES OF GOD,NOT BEING ALLOWED INTO HIS KINGDOM IS HELL !!!!!!

  58. God will forgive Susan if she really is remorseful. I hope and pray that Susan is forgiven.

    Whether Susan is forgiven or not, payback is in order and the Bible is very clear about that.

    Susan’s paypack is going to be one HELL of a journey.

  59. The haters have let Manson win – they are JUST as bad.
    I lost family to homicide and a worst death than that so don’t try pulling the emotive stuff to promote hate in me. Victims die through lack of forgiveness – it should not be encouraged.
    Just as my slain family member would say enough punishment if her killer was in this situation, so should society regarding Susan. She is one of us. One who fell far but a human who has worked to give back to society ever sinceregaining her sanity. The victims(including living ones) would be as insane as the Mansons all once were if they wish a dying womanand her family to die without maximal comfort.
    I hope none of the judgers here have

  60. ever done any wrong. The humans commenting here are invited to support this petition. I understand she is a lovely person now and have heard many examples of how, in fact I admire her solid 35 years of community work to try and slightly reparate the harm she did while brainwashed, and refusal to give in to the stereotype. Some Minister even lately sent her unsolicited pamphlets explaining how she is a witch and truly a christian should accept she is going to eternal hell.

    Its offensive to my sensibilities that her victims are on a mission to whip up wrath, fervor and hatred, and have vowed she’ll never leave jail. Atkins 17 year old niece touchingly told the last Parole hearing – to me shes not a Manson family member but a member of my family. Time has moved on.

    http://www.petitiononline.com/911qwert/petition.html

  61. ever done any wrong. The humans commenting here are invited to support this petition. I understand she is a lovely person now and have heard many examples of how, in fact I admire her solid 35 years of community work to try and slightly reparate the harm she did while brainwashed, and refusal to give in to the stereotype. Some Minister even sent her unsolicited pamphlets explaining how she is a witch and truly a christian should accept she is going to eternal hell.

    Its offensive to my sensibilities that her victims are on a mission to whip up wrath and have vowed she’ll never leave jail. Atkins 17 year old niece touchingly told the last Parole hearing – to me shes not a Manson family member but a member of my family. Time has moved on – nothing can turn the clock back but there is no point adding to the tragedy.

    http://www.petitiononline.com/911qwert/petition.html

  62. If Susan is forgiven by God, she wont to to HELL, but that does not mean she wont go THROUGH HELL for her crimes.

    Upon death, you don’t enter in God’s presence immediately, maybe the holly saints do, but most of us will have to go through a cleansing period if you want to call it that. Catholics call it Purgatory.

    I cannot imagine any fair minded person thinking that upon death, you will immediately see God if you were a good person. No matter how good you were, we have all committed Sins. Some sins are purely horrendous like what Susan did and Susan will be confronted with that when she dies and that will be her HELL if her soul can survive it.

    Why Susan today continues to put the surviving victims through additional TORTURE and PAIN with her parole hearings is beyond my conprehension. It is as they say, the final cherry on top of a horrendous crime.

    She sure is packing it in for that final payback!

  63. Ole Sadie, hanging on to that last precious breath and hoping against all odds that she can rally enough support to earn a compassionate release. Life is so precious and she sure does value hers, doesn’t she?

    When I think of Susan Atkins, all I can see is Sharon Tate’s bloodied pregnant body lying on the floor with a rope around her neck. And how Sadie testified in court how she held down Sharon Tate as she pleaded for her and the baby’s life. She also recounted how she told Tate, “Look, bitch, I don’t care a thing about you. You’re going to die and there’s nothing you can do about it.” To cause more suffering, they held off killing Tate until all others were dead, and then stabbed her repeatedly while she called out for her mother. Atkins later recanted her testimony. Of course she did.

  64. Oh yes, some more juicy things of Susan:

    “No Remorse: In 1991 she recanted her earlier testimony, stating she was present during the Hinson and Tate murders but did not participate. It has been reported that during her parole hearings she has shown neither remorse nor a willingness to accept responsibility for her part in the crimes. She has been turned down for parole 10 times.”

    Susan Atkins (Sadie Mae Glutz) had less than 5 months to live back over a year ago. Amazing how that chick keeps on living longer than expected!

    For the horrid things Susan did, she should be ashamed for even thinking of asking to be released. Susan, take all the confort you can squeez out of the Legal system while you are alive becuase the payback prepared for you will be one HELL of a journey with no Parole hearings.

  65. Ron, you need to read the Bible again. If Susan Atkins has repented, accepted Jesus Christ as her Savior, her sins have all been forgiven and forgotten. She will spend her eternity with Almighty God. She will not go to hell or anything called purgatory. She goes to Heaven to live eternally. Even good people go to hell, if they have not accepted Christ. Christ’s death covered ALL sins, even the more horrendous ones that Susan Atkins did. Christ took the keys from Hell and rose again! He doesn’t send people to hell if they are forgiven and have accepted Him. God’s mercy covers everything. You seem to be putting it in a box. Even one of the thieves accepted Christ during the crucifixion and Christ said he would join him in paradise. He never said you will go to purgatory before joining me in heaven. He said the thief would be with HIM, today, not go through a cleansing period first..the cleansing period happens with you come before Christ, tell him you are sinner, ask forgiveness and accept him as your personal Lord and Savior. So if Susan accepted Jesus, she is saved and when she dies, she will go to heaven no matter what she did on this Earth. The scriptures support this too.

    On either side of Jesus were two thieves executed at the same time. When one of them accepted Jesus as Lord, Jesus shared with him, “To day shalt thou be with Me in paradise” (Luke 23:43)

    (Isaiah 55:6-7 NKJV) Seek the LORD while He may be found, Call upon Him while He is near. {7} Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts; Let him return to the LORD, And He will have mercy on him; And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.

    (Daniel 9:9 NKJV) “To the Lord our God belong mercy and forgiveness, though we have rebelled against Him.

    (John 3:16-17 NKJV) “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. {17} “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

    Ephesians 1:7 NKJV) In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

    But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8)

    “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.” (1John 1:9)

    “As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.” (Psalm 103:12)

  66. Dianne, you need to read the Bible again.

    For starters, do you even realize that there are some sins for which you will never be forgiven from no matter how much you ask to be forgiven or think that you are “saved”:

    In Matthew’s Gospel (Matthew 12:32) we read that the sin of “Blaspheming the Holy Spirit” is a sin which won’t be forgiven in this world or the next.

    Matthew 12:32
    And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

    Now, to correct your mistake is what you said above:

    Matthew 5:26
    Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

    Jesus, talking about the unforgiving debtor, said he would be tortured until his debt was paid. Jesus then said the Father would do the same to us.

    Matthew 18:34-35
    And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

    Where is this place we will be in until we have paid our last farthing? A place we must stay until our debt is completely paid. We know it can’t be hell because no matter how much we pay there is no escape or pardon. It can’t be heaven because Scripture tells us nothing defiled can enter heaven.

    There are way too many references to this, so I will stop here. However, sufice it to say that even normal fair minded people realize that to enter into the holy presence of God is huge and no, not everyone will see God opon death until that person is cleansed. If he helps you any, think of it as if you have an appointment with the most important person alive on Earth today and you have not taken a shower for a month and have no cloths on.

  67. Now, getting back to the subject at Hand:

    Susan (Sadie Mae Glutz), why do you continue to put the victims through more HELL by forcing them through those parole hearings?

    Susan my darlin, the horid sins you committed are going to be one HELL of a payback journey for you as it already stand. Why are you packing it up more?

    Stop Susan, the payback package is getting ugly and you need to survie it. Don’t add to it Susan, it’s already really ugly as it stands, why pack it in more? It’s going to come out and you are not going to have a very good time with that.

  68. Sorry, Ron, but I know what the Bible says but I don’t mind reading it again. It keeps my faith grounded in the Word of God. It is my life’s guide!

    When I die, I am going straight to my Heavenly Father and will be walking on streets of gold for eternity. I am cleansed of my sins because I believe and have accepted Jesus as my personal Savior and Lord. That’s all I need. It’s that easy. You are making it too hard. It isn’t meant to be. God if full of mercy and passion. He said if we accept His Son, He accepts us.

    It says all have come short of the glory of God! No one is perfect and we won’t be perfect when we die. That is why Jesus died on the cross to cover our sins in life and through death. He never said we had to be perfect before we died to enter heaven. He never said when we die we have to be cleansed in another place before we can see Him. If we had to go somewhere else when we died to be cleansed, then why did Jesus die? You are implying that Jesus’s death doesn’t cover all sins. His love endures FOREVEWR! You’re example doesn’t make any sense. I confess my sins everyday to God and I am forgiven, so I am cleansed everyday.

    So again, if Susan Atkins is a follower and born again Christian, she will go to heaven when she dies no matter what she did on this Earth before accepting Christ as her personal Savior. He has forgive her as far as the East is from the West. Call upon the name of Jesus, confess your sins and He is faithful and just and will hear you and help you turn from your wicked ways! It’s that easy. Some people just make it too hard!!

  69. Oh and by the way, Jesus paid ALL our debts on the Cross, so we don’t need to go anywhere to pay them off. He has already done that for us. Thank you God!!

  70. Well, you can go by your beliefs or that of the Bible. I will stick with the Bible:

    Matthew 5:26
    Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

    This is one of the fundamental errors with some Christians thinking a rubber stamp is promissed. Again, read the Bible where some sins are simply not forgivable. You can imagine all you want, but the Bible is very clear about that and I even quoted where you can find that info, but I undersand that you rather ignore that part of the Bible.

    However, going back to the real juicy question at hand: Why does Susan continue to inflict so much PAIN on the victims by putting them through torture with the parole hearings?

    Susan my dear, don’t torure the victims anymore! Payback is going to be one HELL of a ride and you are extending that journey if you continue to inflict pain on the inocent.

  71. You are completely taking that verse out of context.

    Therefore, if you bring your gift to the altar, and there recall that your brother has anything against you,
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    leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
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    Settle with your opponent quickly while on the way to court with him. Otherwise your opponent will hand you over to the judge, and the judge will hand you over to the guard, and you will be thrown into prison.
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    Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny.

    I don’t rubber stamp anything. Jesus promised me eternal life by dying on the cross. He said if I confess my sins He is faithful and just and will forgive me. He never said that I will have be to cleansed again when I die. His death covered ALL my sins. If I accept him, I go to HEAVEN. I am WASHED in the blood of the Lamb NOW, and when I die. So you go ahead and put your limitations on Jesus’s death and his mercy. The Bible speaks the truth and born again Christians will live eternally in Heaven with Jesus upon their death or by the rapture. If you are not saved, you will go to Hell, that my friend is the facts. I hope Susan Atkins is a born again Christian as she has a great eternity waiting on her.

  72. Oh my dear.

    Yes, Jesus promises us heaven if we ask for forgiveness and Yes, Jesus paid for all of our Sins. Yes, Jesus death covered all Sins so those who repent will be forgiven and thus enter Heaven.

    You seem to be confused with Forgiveness and Payment You can be forgiven and you will enter Heaven, but that does not mean you forfit payment. Payback is very real and it is explained in the Bible over and over:

    You honestly think that you are as good as say Mother Teresa who spent her entire life serving God? Few will enter directly into God’s presence upon death. Mother Teresa may be one of the few, but most of us who are forgiven and will eventually enter Heaven will not go there directly.

    Now to prove the falacy in your understanding. Here is just one example where no matter how much you ask to be forgiven, no matter how much you think you are forgiven, you are not:

    Matthew 12:32
    And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

    Do you realize that Jesus himseld said this? What part of “it shall not be forgiven” do you not understand?

  73. Jesus paid for my sins by dying on the cross. He paid my debt. I do not have to pay it back as I am forgiven by the blood that he shed FOR ME! Once you accept Jesus, that part of the Holy Spirit’s job is complete, thus you can’t blaspheme His work.

    Yes, when I die, I will go straight to heaven! I will not pass go and collect $200…going straight there to live eternally with my Lord. I hope to see you there!

    A true Christian cannot commit a sin for which there is no forgiveness. We are protected by the power of God (1 Peter 1:5).

    “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus…” (Romans 8:1).

  74. Oh dear, I think we’ve taken a turn for the worse.

    Jesus paid for our Sins that we may be able to enter Heaven. Yes, we got that. I agree. Our sins have consequences regarless if we are saved or not and payback is in order.

    You honestly think someone can comitt horid sins any time they want and at the last second before death all they have to do is believe and all is well?

    You say all Sins are forgiven by Jesus, yet you shut your eyes when Jesus clearly says that NOT all sins will be forgiable.

    Matthew 12:32
    And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

    Further more, sins are due and payable upon death as it is clearly explained in the bible. The only difference of the person who is saved verses the person who is not saved, is that the saved person will enter Heaven while the other will not. One will experience a finite time of Hell while the other will always and forever remain in HELL.

    I personally believe that Susan will eventually go to Heaven if she is trully remorseful, but boy is she in for one big nasty HELL of a time the moment she passes on. It’s going to be real ugly folks.

    By Susan putting the victims through HELL next month with her parole hearings is truely sad and disgusting. Not sure why she desires to inflict more pain on those inocent people. The fire is getting hotter 🙂

  75. Ron,

    We are clearly going to disagree. You believe what you believe and nothing I say will change it. All I know is that Jesus paid the debt for our sins, so a payback IS not in order! The debt has been paid and totally erased!

    I don’t see what joy you are getting in hoping that Susan goes to Hell. Why would rejoice in anyone going to Hell? God is JUDGE, but HE is also MERCIFUL. I am glad you are not the one in charge of our souls as you seem like you can’t wait for Susan or anyone else who sins, even though they might have been completely forgiven and covered by the blood of Jesus, to get their “dues” after death.

    In your beliefs, everyone is going to Hell or purgatory before going to Heaven, so everyone can just live the way they want on this Earth because after death you have another chance to be cleansed…so in your reality, Jesus didn’t need to die.

    I don’t get any joy in knowing people are going to Hell.

  76. Yes, we disagree. I clearly stated a passage from the Bible where Jesus is very clear about a Sin which is not forgivable. You choose to ignore that and disagree – fine. You unfortunately prefer to ignore what you don’t like in the Bible and pick only the things you like.

    I am simply stating the facts, not my opinions.

    The Bible gives several verses that people don’t immediately go to heaven. Some do, others do not even though they eventually end up in heaven. Others clearly end up in HELL for eternity which is the worse of the worse set of conditions.

    Yeah, like when Lazarus was pulled out of Heaven (the most wonderful place of existance) and plocked back to Earth. If true that Lazarus was in Heaven, the first thing he would have said when he was brought back to Earth would have been SH*T!

  77. I do not disagree with you pertaining to the unpardonable sin, however, someone that is saved and covered by the blood of Jesus doesn’t commit an unpardonable sin. Jesus paid our debts. It never has to be repaid. Was Jesus’s suffering not enough to cover ALL sins? Obviously you do not believe it was enough.

    There isn’t any place in the Bible that references people do not immediately go to Heaven. People either go to Heaven or Hell. I am not ignoring anything, I know exactly what God’s word says and I KNOW that I KNOW, I am saved and going straight to heaven when I die or when the rapture comes.

    There isn’t any reason to curse.

  78. I hope you realize that you just contradicted yourself. Jesus said ( let me cut and paste):

    Matthew 12:32
    And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

    If you are saved and you commit this sin, it will NOT be forgiven. It is clear and to the point.

    You also seem to ignore the subject of this thread. Susan and the good questions being asked.

    Why does Susan want to cause more pain on the surviving victims if she is “saved”?

  79. I dont care what the bible says. She gotta pay for her crime, she didnt have mercy for sharon why shoul i feel sorry for her? For everyone who is defend her why dont try to be on sharons family side just for onesecond, would u forgive someone who killed your daudghter? Son? Mother? She is been denied for parole 10 times she already got 10 opportunities? What about sharon, abigail foldger, and the others that susan killed? They didnt have another opportunity to live… Is this fear? .. I dont feel sorry for anyone who take someones life, she is getting what she deserve, the only thing i can agree with someone in this forum who said there is no hell when you die is over its true but before that she gotta suffer the same or worst way than those she killed… I hope u suffer bitch.. I HAVE NO MERCY FOR YOU!!!!

  80. Very well said Ana.

    I continue to ask WHY does Susan continue to inflict PAIN and SUFFERENT on the victims by putting them through parole hearings?

    None of the Susan supports here seem to be able to handle that question.

  81. Wow… I just read a gigantic fight / debate / argument about God and his rules… I thought this was a blog to talk about Susan Atkins…. I whole heartedly believe in God and his son Jesus… And I bet they are both up there slapping thier forheads at all the “Christians” on this site judging people, calling names, acting like they are never wrong and think they know what they are talking about. The Bible has been changed so many times for so many years, that I would think that no one but God knows exactly what Hell is, what repentence is, what forgiveness is, and what God is. I think that what S.A. did was a form of un earthly evil. But I also think that 37 years of rehab and brain cancer compleatly stopping her from doing it again is a good reason to consider granting parol. I would bet that she has fallen to her knees many times in the last fer decades and BEGGED God for forgiveness. And if what I learned in church all of these years is true, I would also bet that he has fogiven her at some point. And I also bet that if it were God’s decision, he would set her free at this point. Maybe ONLY at this point.. But he would, none the less. I think you all need to stop the preachy arguments and stick to what the blog is about. Her and her freedom. That’s all. Thank you..

  82. P.S.. I didn’t take the time to read all of these all the way down, so for those of you who are sticking to the point and avoiding Christian arguments, ignore my last post..

  83. Getting back to the subject at hand.

    Why does Susa keep putting the victims through more HELL with the parol hearings?

    In case you missed it, WHY? Why continue to cuase pain?

  84. Only a few more days and we’ll know the result of Susie’s parole hearing, pointless gesture that it is. At this point I think I’d prefer to see her denied again. I’s rather not have the spineless bureaucrats be able to play the compassion card at the very end.

    [quote]
    “It is sad, but undoubtedly true, that parole boards are political bodies that base decisions as much upon anticipated public reaction to their decisions as on a careful review of a parole applicant’s prison record and statements. The three female defendants deserve release, but there is a real question whether they will ever experience freedom again. Susan Atkins, diagnosed with terminal brain cancer in 2008, will almost certainly die in prison.”
    [unquote]

  85. Why does Susa keep putting the victims through more HELL with the parol hearings?

    In case you missed it, WHY? Why continue to cuase pain?

  86. if we begin to live in a compassionless society than it is a society i long no further for.

    Susan has been in prison for over forty years! Forty Years for one murder she commited when she was 21 something. Her life has been taken away already she will be merely coming out to die and she should spend her remaining months in freedom.

    All this said she should never have blamed somebody else for commiting murder. Show remorse but not blame or excuses.

    I really hope she is released today.

  87. For those asking for conpasion.

    Why does Susan keep putting the victims through more parole HELL? The victims are hurting, why does Susan keep hurting them over and over.

    Susan, I personally don’t believe in the electric chair, but when I see you putting the victims through such HELL, you make me want to bring the electric chair back.

    Why Susan, why do you keep hurting the victims?

  88. james—-so much compassion for Susan The Murderer, so little compassion for the folks that, “bang on about God”.

  89. Marla, your ignorance and delusion only serve to reinforce my initial point. If God is our ever bearing judge of innocence then why must we even consider debating such a point or have a judicial system in the first place?

    Seriously, when it comes to American justice its an absolute joke as it is so closely interlinked with a fairy tale about theological myth. In the words of myself i could “bang on about” (James 2009:comment 2) how ridiculous it is many of the modern day individuals still choose to believe in such twaddle in the adversity of commen sense and historical evolutional fact but that would be sidetracking and in the words of monty python a “different story all together” the optimum word there being “story” as that is what the majority of you fools (including Susan Atkins) over the atlantic still live your lives by, a fictional story. (i hate to generalise but its a common appearance in America that can’t be ignored by the realists).

    However lets not dwell on what was a separate point to my initial comment (the second coment was merely an observation about American understanding of all things debatable lying in the hands of our omnipitent all powering observer, nothing to do with the issue at hand, believe me i feel more than compasssion for the God followers its called sympathy of which i currently have none for Susan Atkins). The real issue here is that a young woman has served her whole life behind bars for commiting a terrible offense that is inexcusable. But, It has already consumed her whole life and she has months left to live and should spend them freely in the “land of the free”.

    Come on, how is it possible to deny her this when OJ simpson gets off scott free?

  90. James you ignorant bastard. Oj didnt kill a pregnant woman and his aqquital was a miscarriage of justice. But this isnt about OJ, this is about Atkins. In her own words, she stated she had NO MERCY for Sharon Tate or her unborn child. It doesnt matter what good things she has done in prison, so she got religion, so what, Maybe GOD can forgive her but society sure as hell shouldnt. Hell, she should have already been dead, she got the death penalty and california overturned that. Would you want someone who did this to one of your loved ones to ever be set free, even if its to die?
    Im horrified to see that she was allowed to get married while in prison, there’s her mercy, she was allowed to love and be loved(?). What kind of sickfok would marry a sociopath like her? I hope she suffers greatly in her dying process for as u see, i have no mercy for anyone who can kill a child! FU

  91. james—-Thank you for your keen observations. I am sure that you are considered an intellectual giant among your peers, but you come across as nothing more than a pompous ass. It’s not so much your Godlessness that is disturbing, but your over-intellectualizing something that is so simple in nature. Right is right and my dear james, wrong is wrong. Sadie Mae Glutz should have been turned to dust many years ago. She is, and was, just a freak of nature. Something that should have never been. Something that should not continue to be.

  92. If Susan ( Sadie Mae Glutz ) had any trace of humanity, she would have commited suicide many years ago to save the state money and more importantly, to not put the victims through HELL with parole hearings.

  93. She should be shown as much compassion as she gave Sharon Tate and the others. The answer is “NO” Susan, you cannot die with dignity because you have none! What is the matter with people, she didn’t get the death penalty so shut up Susan!!!! The answer, in case you didn’t hear it the first time is, NO – what part of “no” don’t you understand!

  94. BTW, James – All the “GOD” bs, give me a break! If it had been your sister, mother, or wife you would be singing a different tune. If not, you have a bigger problem than you have now.

  95. RON:

    I hope she gets the release. I think she has suffered adequately for her crimes. I realize it’s not MY family in the photos, but I’d like to think I’d feel the same way. I just can’t imagine how ate up with rage, revenge and anger all these years has done to the souls of these poor family members. It must really disgust them to think that Atkins is given spiritual joy and freedom from God almighty, when they have no doubt had so little. It doesn’t seem fair, but we are all in the hands of a just God.

    I think the scripture where it mentioned paying the uttermost farthing has to do with paying for not forgiving.
    And you bring up a very good point on why she puts the families through this if she is truly a christian now. She could be faking the conversion, or maybe just THOUGHT she converted but still has the old nature. The cold, and selfish way about her that caused her to do this in the first place. Also, it is possible that she is a christian, but the truth of the pain the parole hearings are causing the families simply isn’t sinking in. She could be so caught up in her own thing that she just isn’t thinking about that.

    I don’t have a problem with her getting compassionate release, but I don’t think it is the govt.’s job to decide such a thing. I’ve said before that I thought the only people who had the right to allow her release would be the family members. If they objected, or if her release would cause them any more pain at all, then of course she should stay locked up.

    In closing, I must say that I find it odd that in our culture of, ” it’s not a baby, just tissue”, folks are showing shock over what was done to the baby.

    It’s ironic though, how she appears to have more freedom, peace and joy, then the family members, even though SHE’S the one who is locked up.

  96. Naw, I don’t think so Susan. I’m already happily married to a man who is happy to have me.

    I’m merely trying to address the issue from several different angles, and bring some cool reason back into the discussion. It was a horrific murder, so naturally emotions are still running pretty high.

    It would be just and fair if the victim’s family members were the ones deciding on a release. I can bible thump all day long about how Jesus expects us to forgive, not judge, and pray even to the cost of our own life. But that is MY thing, and everyone has to take that particular journey on their own. If I were to judge the family and call them ungodly, or unforgiving, then I also think that would be a cruel and non forgiving attitude from ME. We all have to answer to God for what WE do, and NOT for what somebody else does. Which I thank God for, because I certainly wouldn’t want to answer for Susan Atkins.

    I can’t imagine what kind of manipulation or brainwashing would make someone do something like THAT. It may be that some people are simply evil.

    Let’s just pray for everyone involved that God will have HIS way in this. Pray that the family members find peace, and thank God Almighty that the suffering of the victims is at least over.

  97. Actually, now that I have thought more about it, the only time Jesus EVER suggested the death penalty was when the offense involved children. He held them on his lap and said it would be better if a milstone were put around one’s neck and they cast into the sea then to offend (hurt) one of these little ones. That would involve drowning, which is not painless or quick. In other words, it sounds to me like he is saying tha a quick and easy death is too good for these types of people, and they forfeit the right to live themselves.

    Didn’t Susan kill the baby also? Hmmm, I’m going to have to do some serious soul searching and praying on this issue.

  98. Yes Dawn, you search your soul and you start praying. Then come back here and regurgitate more of your bs. Your words are just that, your opinion. There are a billion different interpretations of the bible. Here’s mine:

    Sadie Mae Glutz = one dead lying murderous pos

  99. let her go….for gods sake they let the guy that killed 200 plus people go ( jet plane) just let her go she has paid her dues.

  100. Hahahah im so happy, see God was in sharons side, this monster “susan” finally is gonna have her punishment, and for someone who said the she was a child when she killed one person.. First she was 21 that is not a child and 2nd she killed sharon, her baby, abigail foldger and her bf, and jay sabring, if u didnt know this well u know now, i hope you all who are at susan side NEVER something like this happen to you, im sure you d never forgive someone like this, write is easy but been through this is not, its true she spent 40 years in prision but at least she was alive, now she is suffering this is her punishment, she is the only one ill and in pain and u know why, cause she was the only one who killed someone who wasnt in this world yet, she didnt give the chance to this inocent criature can see the sunshine, just God decide who lives and who doesnt, of course she doesnt know what a mother can give for her children, if u dont know she had a son but she didnt care and just give him to adoption, ok bitch hope u die soon but in the most horrible way

  101. In the simple act of asking to be free, shows that you still have no mercy for your killings or for the families who still live with the pain of loss. You should feel soooo bad about what you did that you would never expect, let alone ask, to be freed. How can you, Susan, ask for mercy? Asking for mercy, or asking to be freed, is like stating that you deserve it, when we all know that you don’t.
    Yes, we should forgive you; however, you should do your time, which is life in prison. By continuing to refuse your request for release has helped me to forgive you.
    I lived in L.A. when this unimaginable crime happened and everyone was terrified in their own homes. I still check my locks 24/7 and keep a gun close by ever since. Not only did you change the lives of the families who suffered at your hands, but you changed the lives of everyone, which is exactly what you wanted to do. You and your sick family members wanted to terrify everyone. Well, I still live in memory of what you did, so you still need to live in prison. May God have mercy on you!

  102. Critter – very well said! It is what I keep saying.

    I honestly don’t think that Susan has seriously repented. She is for one HELL of a ride after she dies.

  103. You people have no heart do you?! Seriously let the woman go. I know what she did was wrong and horrible, but be serious. There are many reasons she should be let out. My main reason: if you let her die in jail, you’re no better than she was 40 years ago. You’d be a murderer for not letting her die outside of jail. 40 years of jail and over a year of being sick is enough. She’s dying and can’t really move at all anymore. God already forgave her, you people should too!!! You all make me sick! (except those who agree with me)

  104. I understand the “feeling for compassion” some people have here for a dying woman. I feel it too.

    However, we were not in her shoes and more so in the shoes of the people she / they killed and families whos lives have changed forever. Just because some people had been able to move on and let go, does not automatically mean the families of these victims have.

    And who are we to say ‘They should forget, forgive and let go” It is plain cruel to even force them. Do we know the gravity of their pain? NO. So how dare we say they should let go. It is the family members of the victims who keep fighting they dont want her release.. so why do we interfere with that. Again who are we to say they should let go and forget. It is theirs to take on.

    I also agree that if someone has truly repented, they would, as a remorseful person would, take the consequence. To even expect over and over again that your crimes are forgiven is simply saying you feel entitled to freedom because you have earned it. Such arrogance i find. And the victims were deemed by the killer – to die – already – no choice.

    If she truly felt her crime was horrible she would find it shameful to ask for parole (over and over) as Ron put it, place her victims family in same torture recalling it.

    And if the family members felt it was for to letting go, i suppose they wound no longer stop. It must be they feel no true repentance in Susan Atkins actions all those years. And i can see clearly why.

    Yes she could be the model prisoner, but whatever happened to true acceptance of your actions consequences. She didnt steal, she didnt covet someones husband – she killed a pregnant women and wanted to even remove the baby from the mothers belly, only thing that stopped her was she said she didnt have the courage to do so. And so the other things she did to sharon, she had (the courage). If she can conceive such thoughts, no wonder she can afford to keep asking for parole. Has she no sensitivities to the people she had harmed and hurt the most.

    I do not know anyone she killed, but I can see her family still feels the pain.

    Who am I to force what i want or think about Susan on this. To force it only adds more pain to the family, and so it makes me like Susan Atkins too..

  105. Marla Marla Marla, YOU sound like a 10 year old. People are entitled to their own opinion. Insulting them just makes YOU sound like the 10 year old. My opinion about Susan Atkins will never change. And my new opinion about you will probably never change either, if you continue to insult my opinion and others. So try to keep the insults in that pretty little head of yours. By the way, im older than 10 but younger than you.

  106. Stacey wrote —– “You people have no heart do you?! Seriously let the woman go. I know what she did was wrong and horrible, but be serious. There are many reasons she should be let out. My main reason: if you let her die in jail, you’re no better than she was 40 years ago. You’d be a murderer for not letting her die outside of jail. 40 years of jail and over a year of being sick is enough. She’s dying and can’t really move at all anymore. God already forgave her, you people should too!!! You all make me sick! (except those who agree with me)”

    Stacey, Your idiocy makes it so tempting to insult you. It’s difficult to resist. There are so many inconsistencies with what you wrote. You are all over the place. Who exactly is the murderer for NOT letting Susan out of jail? The justice system is the murderer? Is that what you are saying? The parole board is the murderer? Or, everyone that doesn’t agree with your warped view? Are they murderers as well? I’m just trying to understand your wacky thinking.

  107. Marla, sorry for confusing you, but if you were smart enough you could have filled in the “you” without question. 1.“You people have no heart do you?! “= people who think she should rot in jail when she is dying of a horrible incurable illness. 2.” if you let her die in jail, you’re no better than she was 40 years ago. You’d be a murderer for not letting her die outside of jail.”= the parole boad, debra tate and all of the murder victims’ living family members that keep her in there. That’s all im trying to say about my so called “wacky thinking.” And don’t question my judgement or opinion just because you don’t understand.

  108. My oh My, lookie at what I found:

    http://www.mansonfamilytoday.info/atkins-biography.htm

    I lost any respect I had for Susan after reading the entire thing. My favorite part was when Susan was asked why not give the money to the surving victimes. Susan reply “I had not thought of it” – classic unremourseful answer.

    I am so glad that BITCH was not released. The minimal confort for me is knowing she tried and FAILED.

  109. Stacey,

    The people have given more than enogh compasion to Susan, much more than she deserves. Susan should have been given the electric chair a long time ago.

    Susan could have elected to comitt suicide years ago to cut the costs of having to incarciate her, but instead, Susan has elected to have more money spent on her by her demands of the parole hearings.

    All these things, Susan will have to pay for when she dies whether or not she is forgiven by God. Forgiveness does not mean no payback. Payback for Susan is going to be one juicy HELL of a ride.

    What is happening to Susan right now with all of her illneses while she is alive is a tiny, very tiny preparation of things to come when she dies. Think if it as mercy for her in preraring her for a very ugly, disturbing and disgusting HELL of a trip. She should be thankful that she is being prepared becuase what is coming Susan’s way is down right dispear and pain.

  110. Geeze Stacey, since when did u start speaking for God? “God already forgave her””??? How do you know this? Can u actually get into the mind of God??LOL..Oh, maybe he told you personally! Yeah YEAh, we’re all taught God is forgiving, but you seem to think you have the inside scoop on who he forgives and when……
    As for your ignorance, When a person dies of natural causes, that is not considered murder…for you to blame others/us for her imminent death is insane .Look at you judge others as you defend the murderer…..

    Stacey says: “And don’t question my judgement or opinion just because you don’t understand.” Projection at its best!

    At the risk of sounding evil(although u seem to think its ok to slaughter innocent people), lets hope this happens to your family and see how u feel then…..oh, did u not like my comment? wanna judge me? have at it

  111. Thanks for the cnn link of Susan Atkins sleeping through her parole hearing while the victims have to re-visit that horrid moment.

    Someone should have kicked that bed and woke her to show some respect for the victims.

    I don’t care how sick I was, I would have at least shown the dignity to stay AWAKE during the testimonials fo the victims.

    Amazing, totally amazing!

  112. seriously???? you think this….thing should be allowed to roam the streets…oh you must mean as long as its not your street than fine let her go right? HOW ABOUT THINKING ABOUT SOMEBODY OTHER THAN YOURSELF? have you ever considered wat it must have been like for tate? the pain and horror and confusion and this horrible person not able to give mercy to another human being? Why should we show her mercy? Cause she is dying??? Tell me where did this sudden respect for life come from and where was it when it involved somebody other than herself???

  113. Just what Atkins told the lady before she kill her, NO MERCY FOR YOU…..Well….NO MERCY FOR YOU….Again…
    ROT in HELL……Stupid follower…

  114. Hey Susan. How goes it down there?

    Summer is coming up for us, but how hot is it there for you?

  115. Does anybody remember the story in the Bible when Jesus was hanging on the cross, there were two others hanging besides Him, one on His left and one on His right, one was a murderer and one was a thief. The murderer said to Jesus…”Remember me this day when you enter into paradise.” The Lord said…”Today, you will be with me in paradise. The point is…GOD forgives murderers.

  116. God forgives those who ask to be forgiven. Unfortunately many people die thinking it’s automatic and are entitled to it without reseverations.

    Jesus also gave the parallable of the person who died not repenting and the agnory he was under in the after life.

  117. I should add that Susan Atkins demonstrated on several ocassions her refusal to repent and ask for forgiveness for her horrendous crimes.

    Througout Susan’s life and specially towards the end of Susan’s life, she tried like a caged animal to get out of Jail instead facing her crimes to which she and only she is accountable.

    Susan could have opted to be put to death (or done it herself) to help society not have to spent any more money on her, but instead, Susan did just the opposite. Susan challenged the legal system repeately with parole hearings costing society (us) money and worse, putting the victims through more torture having to re-call that horrid moment.

    Also for those of you thinking Jesus is a free ticket and that you can committ all kinds of sins in this world and still get a free ticket, you are in for one big surprise.

  118. Hey Susan, how goes it? How hot is it there?

    Susan, are you being tormented by some of the things you said and did? For example, here is a juicy reminder of what you said Susan:

    “She sobbed and pleaded for the life of her baby, “Please don’t kill me. Please….I want to live. I want to have my baby.” But SUSAN ATKINS told her she had no mercy for her. Then Tex slashed her face and stabbed her 16 times, ATKINS and Watson taunted her while she died, Sharon cried out repeatedly for her mother.”

    Hey Susan, it’s going to be a very long enternity.

  119. They,(manson,atkins,watson and all the others that were convicted) should have gotten the (Gas) chamber for what they did, but calif abolished capital punishment, and spared them, Watson even has a family,,they should have cut off his nards!. An eye for an eye,,Atkins actually tasted the blood of her victim (Tate) they should be required to serve life,,Period! Furthermore put charlie out into population,,see if he still wants to talk smack,,his days are numberd, they are all trash,,(the manson family)

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