• Gay Marriage

    PPIC Poll: Proposition 8 Results Expose Deep Rifts Over Gay Marriage

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    The post-mortems continue on California Proposition 8 that restored the traditional definition of marriage (one man and one woman) in the November election.

    A post-election survey by the Public Policy Institute of California was released today.

    In summary:

    The survey, which polled 2,003 voters from November 5–16, finds these differences between Proposition 8 supporters and opponents:

    • Evangelical or born-again Christians (85%) were far more likely than others (42%) to vote yes.
    • Three in four Republicans (77%) voted yes, two in three Democrats (65%) voted no, and independents were more closely divided (52% yes, 48% no).
    • Supporters of Republican presidential candidate John McCain were far more likely than those who backed President-elect Barack Obama to vote yes (85% vs. 30%).
    • Latinos (61%) were more likely than whites (50%) to vote yes; and 57 percent of Latinos, Asians, and blacks combined voted yes. (Samples sizes for Asians and blacks are too small to report separately.)
    • Voters without a college degree (62%) were far more likely than college graduates (43%) to vote yes.
    • While most voters (65%) consider the outcome of Proposition 8 to be very important, the measure’s supporters (74%) are far more likely than those who voted no (59%) to view the outcome as very important.

    Why are these poll numbers important?

    It is likely that a measure legalizing gay marriage will return to the California ballot in June 2010.

    Flap doubts that in a massive Democrat turn-out year that gay marriage proponents will be any more successful and, in fact, will be beaten at the polls by a greater margin.

    Stay tuned…..


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  • Donny Osmond,  Gay Marriage

    Mormon Shocker: Donny Osmond is Against Gay Marriage

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    Entertainer and recording artist Donny Osmond

    Donny Osmond weighs in on gay marriage.

    There are many gay individuals that are members of our church. I know many of them. In fact, some of my best friends are gay. You ask how I react regarding their marriages. Well, I do support our Church leaders who say that we can accept those with gay tendencies in our church as long as they do not act upon their temptations. Everyone has tenancies to succumb to temptation, but we all have the same standard given to us by our Father in Heaven. Whether we may be tempted to be immoral with members of our own sex or of the opposite sex, we are expected to live chaste lives. This is very well explained not only in the Book of Mormon, but in the Bible as well.

    You see, the whole beauty of God’s plan is that we all have our free agency to live our lives the way we want to live them. Personally, I believe in the words stated above and that they came from a living prophet, so I abide by them.

    We all determine for ourselves what is right and what is not right for our own lives and how we live God’s commandments. I am not a judge and I will never judge anyone for the decisions they make unless they are causing harm to another individual. I love my friends, including my gay friends. We are all God’s children. It is their choice, not mine on how they conduct their lives and choose to live the commandments according to the dictates of their own conscience.

    Ok, Donny, Flap understands but the self- righteous Proposition 8 folks will either boycott you now because you are a member of the LDS Church or just because you are a bigoted hater.

    Take your pick.

    Somehow I do not think your audience will mind one way or the other – but Harrah’s Entertainment (owners of the Las Vegas Flamingo Hotel where Donny and Marie have been performing) who are big contributors to the homosexual lobby might.

    And, that would be a shame.


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  • Gay Marriage

    California Proposition 8 – The Musical

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    Proposition 8: The Musical! starring Neil Patrick Harris, Jack Black, Allison Janney and a buncha other liberal actor types…

    The LEFT and gay marriage proponents ACTUALLY think ridiculing The Bible and Christianity is the way to win “hearts and minds” to win support for gay marriage.

    But, everyone knows what the elitist Hollywoood types think about the commoners who foot the bill for their extravagant and immoral lifestyles, now don’t we?

    Interesting how they only ridiculed the Obama supporters who helped pass Proposition 8 in passing.

    Update:

    Some reviews are in courtesy of the Los Angeles Times:

    Gawker: “This reminds us how smart Obama was to keep celebrities from too-vocally supporting him…. Because usually they seem really obnoxious and do more to aggravate than they do to inure. Oh, plus the music sucks.”

    Playbill has some of the cast names: The “Proposition 8’ers and The People That Follow Them” include John C. Reilly as Prop 8 Leader; Allison Janney as Prop 8 Leader’s #1 Wife; Kathy Najimy as Prop 8 Leader’s #2 Wife; Jenifer Lewis as Riffing Prop 8’er; Craig Robinson as A Preacher; and
    Rashida Jones, Lake Bell and Sarah Chalke as Scary Catholic School Girls From Hell.


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  • Democrats,  Gay Marriage,  Gay Politics,  GOP

    Gallup Poll: African Americans as Conservative as Republicans on Some Moral Issues Including Gay Marriage

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    An interesting poll just out by the Gallup shop.

    Only 31% of black Democrats in America say homosexual relations are morally acceptable, roughly the same as the 30% of Republicans who agree, while very much different from the 61% of nonblack Democrats who say homosexual relations are morally acceptable.

    And, this position on the issue of gay politics propelled California’s Proposition 8 which restored the traditional defintion of marriage to the California Constitution to victory in November.

    Exit-poll results after that vote on Nov. 4 suggested that black California voters had overwhelmingly voted in favor of the amendment, while overall, Democrats in California overwhelmingly voted against it — essentially confirming the national attitude structure apparent from Gallup’s analysis.

    This explains the reluctance of Barack Obama to ACTIVELY campaign against Proposition 8 in California and to state emphatically he supports marriage between a man and a woman. How does this translate into Obama’s public policy?

    Obama has put homosexual politics on the backburner and his staff have stated the “don’t ask don’t tell” military position may ONLY be evaluated in a year or so.

    Homosexual organizations wish to bring the gay marriage issue back to the California voters in 2010 should the California Supreme Court fail to overturn Propsoition 8 (which they will). With this poll, California gay marriage proponents have a long way to go.

    More from Gallup:

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  • Gay Marriage

    California Proposition 8 Aftermath – An UGLY Attack Against Mormons

    Courage Campaign’s television ad: “Home Invasion”: Vote NO on Prop 8

    Jonah Goldberg has a piece today up at the Los Angeles Times decrying the anti-Mormon tone of California Proposition 8 protesters.

    It’s often lost on gay-rights groups that they and their allies are the aggressors in the culture war. Indeed, they admit to being the “forces of change” and the “agents of progress.” They proudly want to rewrite tradition and overturn laws. But whenever they’re challenged democratically and peaceably, they instantly complain of being victims of entrenched bigots, even as they adopt the very tactics they abhor.

    My own view is that gay marriage is likely inevitable, and won’t be nearly the disaster many of my fellow conservatives fear it will be. But the scorched-earth campaign to victory pushed by gay-marriage advocates may well be disastrous, and “liberals” should be ashamed for countenancing it.

    What Goldberg fails to acknowledge is that the homosexual lobby will NOT stop with legalizing same sex marriage.They will demand complete societal acceptance of homosexuality – “whether you like it or not.”

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    Catholics Condemn Gay Marriage Ad for Religious Biogtry and Intolerance of the Mormon Faith


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  • Gay Marriage

    Gay People Should NOT Worry Too Much About California Proposition 8

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    “I don’t want to be married. I’m very happy with a civil partnership. If gay people want to get married, or get together, they should have a civil partnership,” said Elton John, who cemented his relationship with David Furnish in 2005. “The word marriage, I think, puts a lot of people off. ”

    Mark Simson who is gay and from Britain makes the case that gay marriage is NOT the same as gay EQUALITY.

    Gay marriage is being presented by many gay people and liberals on both sides of the Atlantic as the touchstone of gay equality. Settling for anything less is a form of Jim Crow style gay segregation and second-class citizenship.

    But not all gay people agree. This one sees gay marriage so much as a touchstone as a fetish. A largely symbolic and emotional issue that in the US threatens to undermine real, non-symbolic same-sex couple protection: civil unions bestow in effect the same legal status as marriage in several US states – including California. As a result of the religious right’s mobilisation against gay marriage, civil unions have been rolled back in several US states.

    Living as I do in the UK, where civil partnerships have been nationally recognised since 2004, perhaps I shouldn’t carp. But part of the reason that civil partnerships were successfully introduced here was because they are not “marriages”. At this point I’d like to hide behind the formidable figure of Sir Elton John, who also expressed doubts recently about the fixation of US gay campaigners on “gay marriage”, and declared he was happy to be in a civil partnership with the American David Furnish and did not want to get married.

    Amidst all the gay gnashing of teeth about the inequality of Proposition 8, it’s worth asking: when did marriage have anything to do with equality? Respectability, certainly. Normality, possibly. Stability, hopefully. Very hopefully. But equality?

    First of all, there’s something gay people and their friends need to admit to the world: gay and straight long-term relationships are generally not the same. How many heterosexual marriages are open, for example? In my experience, many if not most long term male-male relationships are very open indeed. Similarly, sex is not quite so likely to be turned into reproduction when your genitals are the same shape. Yes, some gay couples may want to have children, by adoption or other means, and that’s fine and dandy of course, but children are not a consequence of gay conjugation. Which has always been part of the appeal for some.

    More fundamentally who is the “man” and who is the “wife” in a gay marriage? Unlike cross-sex couples, same-sex partnerships are partnerships between nominal equals without any biologically, divinely or even culturally determined reproductive/domestic roles. Who is to be “given away”? Or as Elton John, put it: “I don’t wanna be anyone’s wife”.

    Read the entire piece.

    The homosexual community is hurting themselve with ordinary California voters with their insistence of redefining marriage – “whether you like it or not.”

    The American voters have spoken loudly with thirty states now banning gay marriage and several having reversed civil unions.

    In California when the California Supreme Court likely upholds Proposition 8, the gay community will have to decide whether they wish to force another election in 2010 (which they will lose) or change direction for more gay equality with civil unions in other states (California already has domestic partnerships which confer all of the legal rights of marriage).

    Exit question: Will the gay marriage rage against Proposition 8 be redirected or will it be all consuming?


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  • Gay Marriage

    Yet Another Proposition 8 Supporter Blacklist – Long Beach Edition

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    This time for the Long Beach area – an area with a higher than average gay/homosexual population.

    The site includes details about business owners and employees who donated to the Yes on Proposition 8 campaign (including at least one Google map). One big target in Long Beach has been the owner of numerous El Pollo Loco franchises. This can be a problem if you like that chicken. As one commenter on the website said: “This one is the saddest for me as WKS Restaurant group owns most of the El Pollo Loco franchises (over 50) in So Cal and several Denny’s and Corner Bakery Cafe’s in CA, AZ, and Utah. El Pollo Loco is one of my favorite restaurants. I am working on the locations so I know which ones I can’t go to anymore …”

    Yet another blacklist to deter donors to the next attempt (likely in 2010) to legalize gay marriage in California.

    Exit question: What kind of damage is the gay rights community doing to their movement by vindictively attempting to control the thoughts of California voters?


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  • Gay Marriage

    More Victims of a Proposition 8 Blacklist – This Time Texas Style

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    Flap asked the question: Who will be the next victim(s)?

    And, we have an answer via M/M.

    Proposition 8 attracted tens of millions of dollars on both sides of the gay marriage issue from out-of-state contributors who see California as a trendsetter for the rest of the nation.

    According to figures from the California Secretary of State’s Office — which requires campaign donors to list their place of residence, their employer and their occupations — more than 750 Texans donated tens of thousands of dollars on either side of the campaign. One of the biggest Texas donations was $50,000 to a Yes on 8 group that apparently came from the president of a Midland oil company.

    About 115 Austinites gave about $180,000 — most in increments of $100 — to fund both sides of the campaign. About 20 of the Austin contributors supported the gay marriage ban; the rest opposed it. Computer giant Apple Inc. is listed as the biggest donor from Austin, with a $100,000 donation in opposition to the measure.

    Some gay rights activists say any business that supported Proposition 8 should be boycotted.

    “We strongly believe that one of the best ways for the gay community to be heard is by speaking with our wallets,” said Austin resident Warren Clark, whose warrenandderrick.com Web site published the “blacklist” of Yes on 8 donors.

    “Blacklisted” by the gay rights Web site are Austin attorneys and tech companies, investment fund managers and doctors, real estate developers and even the Los Angeles Dodgers. Former Dodgers infielder and Austin resident Jeff Kent gave $15,000 to the Yes on 8 campaign.

    “It’s a shame,” said Austin real estate developer Michael Knepp when a reporter told him he was on the list for his $10,000 donation to the Yes on 8 campaign.

    “Everyone has a responsibility to support the issues they feel strongly about,” Knepp said. “If someone else was offended by that, I apologize, but we just feel very strongly about how (gay marriage) could affect our society – so we made a donation.”

    For Austin attorney Roger Hepworth, who gave about $10,000 to the Yes on 8 campaign, the backlash first came in the form of what he called a “hateful” e-mail to him and other employees of his firm, Henslee Schwartz.

    “It started with ‘Shame on you Roger Hepworth’ and got worse from there,” he said.

    The firm also is on the “anti-gay blacklist” created by Clark.

    “I think irresponsible for them to smear an entire law firm that had no knowledge of any donation I made,” Hepworth said. “It’s unfair to target a company for something a person has done.”

    No. 1 on the group’s anti-gay “blacklist” — errantly enough — is Dell Computer Inc. That’s because the biggest Austin-area donor to the Yes on 8 campaign was apparently Spencer Wheelright, a Dell marketing employee who gave $25,200 to support the gay marriage ban, according to records from the California Secretary of State’s office.

    Dell had nothing to do with the donation and, in fact, the company has an internal rule prohibiting it from taking a position or making a donation regarding any state or local ballot initiatives, said company spokesman Bryant Hilton.

    Dell usually gets good marks from gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender groups. It is a supporter of the gay rights group Human Rights Campaign as well as other national and local gay organizations.

    “This was an employee who made a personal donation and employers are listed because of California’s reporting laws,” Hilton said. “But this doesn’t reflect the company’s position at all.”

    Wheelright did not return a reporter’s e-mail seeking comment. He couldn’t be reached otherwise.

    Exit Question:

    As the gay marriage boycott continues will homosexual activists whose Human Rights Campaign receives hundred of thousands of dollars in corporate contributions to buy their goodwill (and who, by the way, contributed to the No on Proposition 8 campaign) insist that corporations and companies terminate (FIRE) those managers/officers/employees? Or face their continued WRATH?

    Is the gay, the new Thought Police of NEWSPEAK?


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  • Gay Marriage

    Los Angeles Film Festival Director and California Proposition 8 Supporter Richard Raddon Resigns

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    LA Film Festival’s Rich Raddon and Film Independent Executive Director Dawn Hudson

    The Hollywood BLACKLIST over California Proposition 8 that restored the traditional definition of marriage (one man and one woman) has begun.

    Under mounting pressure, LA Film Festival director Richard Raddon has ankled his post.

    Raddon and Film Independent (FIND), the festival’s parent org, have faced a barrage of protests over Raddon’s contribution to the successful Yes on Prop 8 campaign that banned same-sex marriage in California.

    After bloggers published his name, culled from public records of donors, Raddon tendered his first resignation on Nov. 13 to Film Independent’s board of directors, which was not accepted. Film Independent then released a statement saying, in part, “Our organization does not police the personal, religious, or political choices of any employee, member, or filmmaker.”

    Yet Internet message boards and other published reports kept the issue at the center of a growing protest movement that has targeted “Yes on 8” donors including the Mormon church and Cinemark Theaters, whose CEO was a contributor.

    On Monday, Raddon submitted a second resignation. Those close to the org described Monday’s conference call with the board of directors as emotional. While Raddon’s contribution had caused some internal angst, he was well liked within the org.

    On Tuesday, Film Independent issued a statement saying “With great reluctance, Film Independent has accepted Richard Raddon’s resignation. Rich’s service to the independent film community and to Film Independent has been nothing less than extraordinary. He has always shown complete commitment to our core principles of equality and diversity during his long tenure.”

    Raddon, a devout Mormon who took the reins of the fest in 2000, said, “I have always held the belief that all people, no matter race, religion, or sexual orientation are entitled to equal rights. I prefer to keep the details around my contribution through my church a private matter. But I am profoundly sorry for the negative attention that my actions have drawn to Film Independent and for the hurt and pain that is being experienced in the GLBT community.”

    The oh so tolerant anti-Proposition 8 mob has another notch on their belt.

    Who will be the next victim?

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  • California Supreme Court,  Gay Marriage

    Recalling the California Supreme Court Over Proposition 8

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    California Supreme Court Justices, from top left, Kathryn Mickle Werdegar, Carlos R. Moreno, Joyce L. Kennard, Marvin Baxter and from lower left, Ming Chin, Chief Justice Ronald M. George and Carol Corrigan

    Power Line makes the obvious observation as to the consequences of the California Supreme Court overruling a vote of the people on California Propsition 8 that restored the traditional definition of marriage (one man and one woman).

    The votes by which the people of California passed Proposition 8, restricting the definition of marriage to a union between a man and a woman, had barely been counted when the ACLU filed a lawsuit. That suit, filed directly with the California Supreme Court, claimed that Prop. 8 would change the California Constitution in so fundamental a way — i.e., taking important rights away from a minority group — that it amounts to a constitutional revision. As such, the theory goes, the legislature was required to pass it before submitting the matter to the voters.

    This kind of argument seems like meat and drink for California’s liberal Supreme Court. But my friend Craig Harrison tells me that if that court once again tells the voters “to go to hell,” he expects recall petitions to be circulated for the judges in question. This is permitted under the California Constitution if signatures can be obtained from 20% of the number of people who voted in the last election. Given the 2008 turnout, it might make sense to submit the petition following the primaries that will occur next year.

    The petition would not just pertain to the merits of Prop 8, but also to the fact that the state’s judges will have thumbed their noses at the popular will. Perhaps those judges will consider this risk when they take up the matter.

    Paul and John don’t quite have the timing correct as ANY election would be in June 2010 and there are no primary elections scheduled next year in California.

    However, Flap does not think the California Supreme Court will throw out the California voters’ wishes. We received an indication of this the other day by Justice Kennard’s actions.

    There is no sense in talking about a recall election of the court unless they go off the deep end again.

    But, recalled all they would be in 2010.

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